User talk:Blue Rook/Archive 10

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RE: Trell
Thanks, I'm wenjoying making articles here :). Trell was mentioned in that episode. What I thought was, he was going with Reiss and it's possible that his status is unknown. So, if I'm going to re-watch tommorow season 3, maybe we found if his dead. But he's alive at that episode.--Station7 21:33, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

No, he wasn't showing on-screen in that episode.--Station7 21:34, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Forbidden characters
I already thought this for day of 2, but I think this man (or men?) are one and the same person. What do you think?--Station7 22:04, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

It could be that they are the same person. Between season 1 and season 6 are a few years. Look at the faces :) --Station7 19:40, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Looking at these, I think you may be right. This is an interesting idea. The next step is to find this guy on IMDB, and look into his credits and appearances elsewhere to verify. Nice catch! 21:52, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't found him, but a few other people to start with.--Station7 20:02, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Partnership?
Hey there Blue Rook, I want to let you that I'm Bureaucrat of the 24 NL Wiki. So could we being partners or doesn't that work here like that?--Station7 19:00, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you mean these two wikis as sister projects? Or me personally going to help at that wiki? I don't speak a word of Dutch, so I'm afraid I would just cause problems haha. 23:26, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Block
Block this user, he made a link to the Dutch Ethan Kanin page and also said that it should be there because of DEFAULTSORT. I see no reason, why you wouldn't block him.--Station7 22:04, October 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * He did restore three succession templates, though, correct? Two of them are correct, the third, I'm not sure about at the moment, but seems to be in good faith. The Ethan Kanin part of that edit looks more like a mistake. If that person does something non-constructive I will block but right now the questionable parts of his edits do not seem to be intentional vandalism. 00:35, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Main cast problem
There's a problem with the page off the Main cast. David Palmer's image is under the Gallery. It looks not good. Hope you can fix it :) --Station7 20:31, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * More problems than just that one on that page, heh. But I tried my best. It is not ideal but we cannot return it to the way it used to look; the only other option would be to reformat it with horizontal-shaped entries for the cast members. 23:25, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wayne Palmer
Hey I just finished watching Season 7 and Redemption and went to take a look at the Wayne Palmer page. It listed his status as Unknown but further down the page it mentioned he had died. It also says on the Noah Daniels page that Wayne Palmer died. I don't think his death was ever confirmed on screen so I changed the writing at the bottom so it says he hasn't died. I was just wondering if you knew what happened to him, maybe he did die and his status is wrong. But anyway the page needs fixing because it's misleading when people read through it. Thanks 24Answers 17:10, October 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes on the talk page you can see the very interesting and novel issue that has cropped up about his status. A newspaper that was at least partly filmed during Redemption was auctioned in real life, and the actual prop has the mention of Wayne's death. Thanks for fixing that in the meantime, and you want to weigh in there about this new topic, please do. 03:38, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Dutch subtitles mistakes
Can I edit Dutch subtitle mistakes at Episodes pages?--Station7 18:55, November 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * That is the domain of the Dutch Wiki 24; each language is viable for their own version of the project and all the pages. Otherwise, we would have all kinds of stuff about French, Dutch, Spanish, and other languages all over the place. 19:53, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Can you help me with using the template unknown. I have copied it and I hope you can tell me what to do more. :) --Station7 21:25, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, what part of it can I help with? 01:49, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

I have copied the Template:Unknown, and I have used it on an article, but Category:Characters portrayed by unknown performers doesn't appear. Could you help me, what to do now?--Station7 05:59, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * To use the category, it needs to be inserted manually like the others. Just don't forget to use the alphabetization scheme that the other categories might be using, too, like |Bauer, Jack. 21:41, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for helping me.--Station7 06:03, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * And thank you for adding all those missing characters! Remember to link them inside the episode guide at the appropriate spots, though, so they don't effectively go to the Special:LonelyPages for Main Namespace. If you don't link them in the Main, nobody will ever see them (unless they happen to browse through your personal user contributions). 06:10, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm happy to do so ;) I have put the links at the episode page.--Station7 07:42, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is perfect! ALways do it with new character pages, and people will find them from the best spots as they read. :) 14:04, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * The only thing you can see from Charters (Day 7) and Turner are their back! Becker is seen for at least 1 minute.--Station7 14:23, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
User:Richard Nixon has used vandalism. I made a mistake with moving a page, but it should being deleted. Please delete which I have put with a delete template. I did put accidentialy a double n. If this isn't vandalism, then I don't know it anymore. He called it Bullshit, the Bullpen.--Station7 20:45, November 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. In the future just post it over on Wiki 24:Vandal alert. When user tag stuff (even in good faith with the intention of helping) after page move vandalism, it complicates things for me because reverting page moves takes a few extra steps. 15:04, November 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, I will do that.--Station7 22:07, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Assaf Cohen and Henry M. Kingi, Jr. both have played 2 different characters that has been killed by Jack Bauer. Should this information being somewhere? So I mean, 2 actors who have played 2 different characters (both!) have been killed by Jack Bauer.--Station7 22:07, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, of course. The best place is in each actor's article. 05:44, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I have done it.--Station7 06:06, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Move
It seems I don't have permission to move pages all of a sudden. Do you know why that might be? --Pyramidhead 10:11, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * At the moment nobody can anymore except admins, don't worry it has absolutely nothing to do with you, and, my apologies if you thought it did. It's a change I asked to be implemented because I'm absolutely sick and tired of this wiki being so vulnerable to repeated mass-page-move vandals like the recurring loser-who's-never-kissed-a-woman that struck again a few days ago for "nostalgia". This won't affect you since you will get the rights to be pagemover once I put the project page up in a few minutes, and you fill out a quick nomination for the public record.
 * Page-move vandalism takes too much time to fix, and the vandal(s) know this... but now, that threat is virtually eliminated. It is true I didn't consult the community about it beforehand, but really, my thinking was: who here would oppose a measure that 1) makes our project and community permanently stronger against people who just want to wreck all our work, and 2) doesn't disenfranchise the real contributors? 07:54, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool, no worries. I figured it had to do with the vandalism. --Pyramidhead 21:49, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * The nomination page is here, just remember to check out the pagemove policy since there are a few details that have changed. 08:00, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

How can I make stop making letting other people with moving pages? I ask it, because you one of the people i'm sure about how to stop. So do you use something for me so that I can use it on another wikia? I was already planning this a long time ago. I didn't know you could that (sorry!). So can you help me?--Station7 16:17, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * You can of course do a self-nomination that I mentioned to Pyramidhead, here, and it should be a very brief process because you meet the criteria I laid out pretty well. 21:27, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * No actually I mean, do you have a code so that I can use it on other Wikias (where I am Bureaucrat). You did misunderstood me. --Station7 23:09, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh. It is not a code that I have any power to implement there. This was specifically because this project has been the target of the same/copycat page-move vandal many, many times. Unless your wiki has had a history of this problem it probably cannot happen; it can't be done as a preventative measure. 00:45, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Wondering About Images
Hello User:Blue Rook a while back i added some images of myself and i think i still have one image of myself on the 24 Wiki im not sure if the image is still on this wiki but i think the image is called

File:C:\Users\David\Pictures\Cameron Tyler P-O24.jpg

I think it could be the image but is their a way i can check my user images i have upload i am meaning something like the (upload log) from wikipedia.com i want to remove all images of myself i care about my privacy and i repect the image policy on this wiki and Thank You.--Cameron Tyler 22:40, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Please Replay on your user talk page or my user talk page my user name is User:Cameron Tyler

My Talk Page User_talk:Cameron_Tyler


 * The contributions which you made that were not deleted can be viewed at Special:Contributions/Cameron_Tyler, Special:Contributions/58.169.139.201, and your first registered account User:TheFinalFantasyFan09. Only 1 file was uploaded by any of those accounts. You will not see the image, because deleted stuff is visible only to admins. It was called  File:Cameron Tyler Guitar Hero.jpg , uploaded by the TheFinalFantasyFan09 account. This file was already deleted because of the image policy. It might not be the same as  Cameron Tyler P-O24.jpg  since I cannot compare the two. If you're worried about privacy, have no fear because only admins can see it; it's no longer available to the public. If you're interested, it may help answer your question to know that the file was 745,550 bytes. You can compare sizes. 06:41, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

why thank you i think one of my account User:Cameron Tyler i have uploaded the same file File:Cameron Tyler Guitar Hero.jpg but its been deleted it was an image of myself holding a guitar hero guitar i think there was two but they both had a diffent name for User:Cameron Tyler and 1 i uploaded for User:TheFinalFantasyFan09 their the same images and their was anther image i uploaded an image i think december its an anther image i uploaded i think its called File:C:\Users\David\Pictures\Cameron Tyler P-O24.jpg im not sure if its the image name but it was the name on my desktop but unless i have changed the name when i was uploading the image i found the name also on my Contributions History if there is anyway you an check my image history if you see the image delete it straigt away its an image of myself kind of giving myself a pose and i had one of the previously on 24 picture *example* File:Prev104x01.jpg i made one of them of myself i am not sure if its deleted but i hope it is, it was my first time using 24 wiki. and their is no way ill be dong that again.--Cameron Tyler 22:40, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Thank You.


 * I do not comprehend anything you just wrote.
 * The links to the contributions history of those 2 accounts, and the anonymous IP, contain all files that haven't been deleted. If you uploaded another image which you want deleted, you must link to it or tell me the account you used to upload it. 07:52, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

i used User:Cameron Tyler to upload the image.


 * That is not true, unless you are referring to 05:40, 2010 November 8 (the picture of the bird inside the cage), 22:42, 2009 December 12, or 04:57, 2009 December 7 when you added your "avatar" image. There are no other file uploads, extant or deleted, which came from that specific account. 08:16, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

oh i did use the image before as an avatar but i changed the image to the budgie picture could you please check my User:TheFinalFantasyFan09 if i could of uploaded the image i have only made 2 accounts it was a while back i am not sure if i uploaded the image but i just want to be sure i did or din't upload this image i can't remeber oh and also can you upload a image without using a user account.--Cameron Tyler 22:40, March 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * As explained earlier, you can click the link to see that you did not upload that image (using either account). I already provided the two links you need. It looks like you never uploaded it at all unless it was the avatar. Either way it's gone. 08:30, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

i think the image is deleted i just had a check and thank you for all your help.--Cameron Tyler 22:40, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

hello blue rook could you please send me a link to the public logs page becouse i type public logs on seach and i dont seem to find it thank you.--Cameron Tyler 22:40, March 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * It is the same for every Wikia wiki, here: Special:Log. Please don't forget to sign your posts. 10:10, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

(Cameron Tyler) 00:36, December 4, 2010 (UTC) sorry for the lateness i forgot to sign my post before.--Cameron Tyler 22:40, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hello Blue Rook could you please remove (Wondering About Images) off your talk page cause i have no use of it no more.--Cameron Tyler 22:45, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Mentioned characters
Maybe a dunm question, but I did once adding the category from Day 7 characters to Mentioned characters. Then Pyrimadhead did remove it. So I did put it back. So, I am a lit bit confused now. Should I edit a category like Day 7 characters to a mentioned character?--Station7 06:27, December 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I understand, and I don't know what example you are referring to. But to answer what I think you are asking: it depends. Was the character only ever talked about in Day 7, or did you hear their voice or see them in person? 06:41, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Graem's cabal
I just want to know one thing. You called them in your "shrine" the Bluetooth cabal. How do you know the other three members have Bluetooths? Only Graem was seen and heard using his.--Makarov29 13:36, December 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * That is definitely false. All 4 of these men wore Bluetooth earpieces. You can see for yourself: Ron (Day 5) wore it on his left ear, Robert Joseph wore it on his left ear too (see this image), and the unnamed 4th guy wore his on his right ear (see this picture). 15:02, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

10:00pm-11:00pm edit
I saw your edit to the 10:00pm-11:00pm page I made a previous edit on. You stated your reason as it was Palmer's 'decoy' nuclear strike, and hence not a major plot point. I'd have to disagree. I said Vice-President Noah Daniels launched the strike, and he made it clear it was an actual strike, with a real missile. That was a plot point in which because of this, Karen and Sandra HAD to bring Wayne Palmer out of surgery so that way he can avert actual war. Then the 'decoy missile' plot point comes in.

--211.30.219.233 11:43, December 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Noah Daniels wasn't even in the 10pm episode you were writing about. 13:22, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I meant to say that this happened in the 7pm-8pm episode of season 6. If it is 7pm-8pm on the West Coast, where the action in L.A. is happening, then in Washington, it is 10pm-11pm. At the end of the 7pm-8pm episode, THAT is when Vice President Noah Daniels orders the nuclear strike, this is turn causing the chain of reactions I had stated above. --211.30.219.233 08:59, December 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * But you're forgetting that all the times seen throughout Season 6 are measured in West Coast time zone. At this wiki we include all the content for an episode in the time zone of the primary setting (this is why the information about the scene in Kuala Lumpur is listed as midnight of Day 1).
 * Even if we broke precedent and included that information there, the plot arc you mention did not even last two full episodes. It's simply nowhere near as significant as the developments of Fayed being killed, the nukes being disarmed, Cheng entering the scene, and Audrey Raines turning up alive. 10:58, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

How to move pages
Can you tell me how to move pages now?I'd like to move Michael (Trinity) to Michael Shalhoub because his full name is revealed but I can't find the move button. William.Y.Fremont 11:34, December 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure man, just read everything at Wiki 24:Pagemove (explanation why Moving is not for all users anymore) and then place a self-nomination at Wiki 24:Pagemove/Nominations. You'll be granted the new rights very soon after you do that because you've been around here for awhile; in fact you'll be the first to do so since the change. 17:34, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Forbidden characters
I think I have a few pictures which can be put in the Forbidden Characters place. I hope you want it.--Station7 15:33, December 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * That is great man! I can't promise that I will add them all, but you are definitely welcome to post about them on the Talk Page for those characters. (Just remember to put the fairuse and correct episode categories according to the policy.) They are so much fun aren't they? 17:34, December 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have a few reccomendations for the FC entry:

Day 1: 5:00am-6:00am The 2 Gaines' hoods who tail Jack at the hospital parking garage.

Day 2: 9:00am-10:00am Eddie Grant's thug who hits Jack. He may look like Scott at first glance, but closer examination shows they're seperate characters.

Day 2: 7:00am-8:00am Kinglsey's main man (the one with sunglasses standing next to Kingsley). He gets significant screen time and almost shot Sherry before Jack put him down.

Day 3: 2:00pm-3:00pm Parker's accomplice who was stupid enough to fire at federal agents.

Day 3: 7:00pm-8:00pm The other escort on Ramon's plane (not Sandra).

Day 4: 12:00pm-1:00pm The terrorist Jack interrogates, and the executioner.

Day 4: 2:00pm-3:00pm The sniper who kills Powell.

Day 4: 6:00pm-7:00pm The McLennen-Forster technician who sets off the EMP.

Day 4: 7:00pm-8:00pm The guard who slams Paul's hand in a desk drawer (the second guard Jack kills). Thankfully, Jack shows up to wipe the smug grin off his face.

Day 7: 6:00am-7:00am The cop who blows up Bob.

Much appreciated if you looked these over. --ASHPD24 17:19, December 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I definitely will. Believe it or not, I'm sitting on the images for several of those already. The ones I haven't thought of before are Grant's guy hitting Jack and the cop that took out Bob. Those I'll definitely look into. 01:02, December 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I will later put the images here. I just have it busy :( --Station7 22:27, December 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Station7 your can put the images in the Forbidden Talk page, it is the best place. Thanks so much guys for thinking of these fun characters. I will go on an addition-spree to update it, and will give credit whenever due to show how much I appreciate your input! 01:02, December 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but my computer can't see the talk page for Fobidden Characters. There's no other way, then put them in a gallery for you!--Station7 06:48, December 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * The links are down because the new skin is dysfunctional, but of course you can still access it at: User_talk:Blue_Rook/Forbidden_characters. I really look forward to seeing the gallery just remember to place it there. 16:32, December 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Day 1: 11:00pm-12:00pm - 2 background people, who are working for Victor Drazen should also being edit there :). I watched it yesterday and idd wanna mention it today, before I forgot it.--Station7 16:40, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

ShoutWiki
Do you have any thoughts on this? -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 20:42, December 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah I got that same bulk-rate email. I've given it serious thought, but in the end I personally was not sold on it. The main reasons: wikia gets more traffic than them, and, if 100% of us hypothetically did move there, wikia would not delete this project out of consideration for the community. There would be two wikis, which is a terrible outcome. The bottom line in my train of thought is equal continuity and unity of the project and the community.
 * What are your thoughts? 21:34, December 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * You points are valid and I hadn't thought about some of the consequences you mentioned. I just literally cannot stand the new design. I really hate how it looks and I'm sorry to say its one of the main reasons I've been less active recently. -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 21:50, December 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was afraid that's why you weren't around as much anymore. Just today I started noticing this forced "Read more" section at the bottom of the page, it's brutal. I'm going to see if there is a way to opt out of that. Even despite that thing, my original view has not yet changed.
 * For whatever it's worth, your presence is certainly missed. If there is any encouragement I can give to convince you to come back, and help out despite the botched facelift the project has gotten, please stay with it. The way I see it: I love the content on the inside of the project, same way mature-minded people may stay in love with a person who's somewhat plain on the outside for the more substantive qualities. I hope you may come to see it that way too, it's an understatement to say it would be a huge boon to have you back. 08:56, December 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I had a read of some of the people who moved to ShoutWiki and it doesnt sound like it was as smooth a move as they suggest, especially for a Wiki as large as ours. I'm sorry and I know it seems a very fickle reason to not be around but the pages just look so much less neat. I hate the way the images have to be attributed to the uploader - I don't see the point in that at all. I'm currently in the middle of a big filmmaking project at University this week (filming tomorrow and Friday) but once I get past that I might try to pick up where I left off the Ultimate Project, see if we can't get that going a bit more. -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 09:31, December 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's great. If the film you make is something available on the web, send me a link could you? And when you're back, we can work together on ways to make everything a bit more presentable, like it used to be, but maybe even better. 01:02, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

About the names in the script
Simon has moved the page Graham to Ted Graham because the name Ted appeared in the script.So can we create the page Kohler for Haas thug becuase of the same reason? William.Y.Fremont 12:56, December 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * The version of the script that I found isn't accurate completely, but it seems legitimate. In this case I'd say sure, we could do it. Want me to do the move or you? 20:51, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think you are the best person to do that.You know I'm not good at writing. William.Y.Fremont 10:11, December 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not a problem I'll do it; there isn't much writing involved for the record. All that needs to be done is pasting the content, using the appearances template, and perhaps most importantly, fixing all the links you can find so that people don't get sent to a non-existent entry at the unnamed terrorists page. That last step is the one that many people forget about, including myself. 01:02, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Checklist
I read your S7 villians checklist and I though it was very well put together. I always like organizing the villians into an easy to read list, myself. I was wondering if I could do the same with info from your forbidden characters and your similiar style for completion. Why have just 1 checklist? In fact, I've already finished with them all, but I wanted to see if it would be okay to use your FC info and style. --ASHPD24 18:10, December 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Absolutely, it would be very great to see what you have been working on. All the original stuff we upload here is free to be used as a mold by others, so have at it! So, it is a checklist, but including pictures from the Forbidden list, right? (I did create checklists for every season but only the one from S7 has ever been formatted for wikitext, and none of mine include pictures or anything really fun like that.) 06:34, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

I've included the characters that aren't in the unnamed entries, like Trepkos co-conspirator and Marwan's cigarette man (no images, too much space), and formatted them all for wiki text, similar to your S7 list.--ASHPD24 07:44, December 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah man that sounds excellent; I look forward to seeing it. 07:49, December 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Cool, I'll put it on my page right now. --ASHPD24 07:59, December 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * All finished here with the lists and they're all viewable. --ASHPD24 08:27, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Those lists are very impressive and professionally detailed. I thought I found a few mistakes, but then I realized that you had included their fates only at the close of that specific season ("Markov isn't still active!"). But very well done. Sometime I'll wikify the ones I had made, and we could compare them both for a master list? 20:20, December 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. I'd very much like to compare.--ASHPD24 20:57, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Blocked
Why was my account blocked?I didn't do any spam thing.It's User:William.Y.Fremont.


 * There are no blocks (expired or current) for the William.Y.Fremont account. You can check here to verify.
 * Did you mean there is another account of yours blocked? I also cannot see any blocks for User:173.192.137.42, either. I'm taking this seriously but I cannot see what you mean at this time. 05:46, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Damn.It's User:Charitwo who either blocked my IP address or my account(William).


 * There is no record of this block (at this wiki). Is it possible that he cross-wiki blocked because your computer may have been used by someone else for vandalism? Let me know what becomes of this. You may want to ask him directly. 06:44, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Looks like I can't edit at any wiki site.Yeah it might be possible that he cross-wiki blocked me.


 * Post an inquiry on any of his talk pages and I'm pretty sure he will see. How did you know it was him, if there is no record of the block, though? 09:59, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

There's a record.
 * Your user name or IP address has been blocked. The block was made by Charitwo.
 * Reason given: spam
 * Start of block: 01:38, November 16, 2010
 * Expiry of block: 01:38, May 16, 2011
 * Intended blockee: William.Y.Fremont
 * Block ID: #13611
 * Current IP address: 65.49.2.180

You can contact Charitwo or another administrator to discuss the block.


 * All right.I'm free to edit now.Much appreciated for your hard work Rook. William.Y.Fremont 03:20, January 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Shit.I was blocked...again.


 * At this point just go to Special:Contact and write a clear description of what is happening. The question that is screaming to be answered here is: does (or can) anyone else use your computer? What are the edits/diffs that you're being blocked for? 05:45, January 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * No need for that.I can edit now for some god-know reason. William.Y.Fremont 13:42, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Surname question
There's a Adam Cox in Chaos Theory and he got a wife named Viv.My question is should we create the page Viv Cox or just Viv.The same happened to Martin Webb and his son Max.William.Y.Fremont 03:36, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * No last name was given. For all we know she kept her maiden name. --Pyramidhead 05:10, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Pyramidhead is correct. To expand on it: if we posted that surname for her without having seen it in the show or in the books, we are assuming something... but speculation isn't permitted inside the iu content. 05:42, January 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * What about Nancy Daniels and Linda Gadsen? William.Y.Fremont 10:52, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * What about em? 12:02, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Their surname. Mentioned in the show? Or just Nancy and Linda? And don't forget about Sam Bender and Miriam Bender.I have checked the novel and only the names Sam and Miriam were mentioned. William.Y.Fremont 12:31, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * The process for Nancy and Linda would be to check into the source material to verify if the surnames were mentioned (the same thing you did for those other 2 characters). If you cannot do it, this would be something to bring to attention on the respective Talk pages, or a Forum article for a group if there were more. (What makes you bring up these specifically?) 06:53, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry I Can't do that at the moment.And I think there's a bunch of them like Miriam Henderson,Rose Mossman,Rita Cullens,etc. William.Y.Fremont 08:14, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I cannot at the moment, either. Don't forget that some of those may have been given surnames for sure in the co-star credits. 13:14, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Eh... I thought co-star credits are oou and we don't accept those? William.Y.Fremont 13:50, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, they are one of the few acceptable OOU sources that we historically do accept here. Proudhug has explained this policy in the past best. Also notable: we recently expanded such acceptable OOU sources to include scripts, whenever feasible, for example to accept the first name of Ted Graham. 02:28, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Locations page
Hi Blue Rook, I've recently started a page about real life filming locations on 24, here. So far I've just done the first 2 eps of series 1 but have managed to identify quite a few places! A few things I was wondering - this is on my user space with lots of my random thoughts etc., so I suppose it wouldn't have a place in the main articles, but might it be permissible for some notes on location pages of where they were actually filmed (I have already done so for Paladio Furniture)? Also to prove I have the right places I started preparing some 24 screencaps next to google street view images to show they are the same place, but did I read somewhere that users are not allowed to upload more than one picture that isn't a 24 screencap? Lastly, do you know if someone else has done this in the past and I am wasting my time identifying locations (however fun it is!). Sorry for the bombardment of questions, thanks so much, --Acer4666 20:17, January 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * This is a very exciting effort you've undertaken! I want to encourage you to continue right from the start. If we keep specific rules in mind, you can add these discoveries to the wiki in certain ways.
 * From what you are describing, this could be information eligible for the headings called "Background information and notes" because it contains oou material. Also, your interpretation of the current policy is correct: Google Street View images are copyrighted by a company other than FOX and unsourced from 24, so they can't be included here directly. But if you have them posted to a personal website or an outside collection of photos, I believe the links can be included in the BGIN section.
 * Another important thing to remember is to create a consistent written and linking style for these notes/links for the location pages, before they are added. This means the notes should look relatively identical except for specific proper nouns, and we may even be able to whip up a template for them specifically, which could be fun. Take a look at Template:Image and let your imagination take off. 02:28, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank for the feedback Blue Rook! I know I need a proper style for the article, the user page was mainly my stream of consciousness and also trying to encourage others to join in. I will put on screencaps for mystery buildings etc. to make it easier for people to help. What do you think about an OOU 'shooting locations on 24' article? Obv once we've got a more complete list, and I've sorted those verification pics. --Acer4666 23:00, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * An OOU article (one for any specific season[s]) sounds amazing. The work you are doing seems very consistent and well-researched, even though at this time I haven't been able to look into it myself. You're welcome to start the page in your user space, editing as necessary at your leisure, and when it nears completion, we can simply perform a page move to insert it into the Main namespace. It is awesome when you find something specific about the show that you love, isn't it? 07:28, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, alright! I'm sorry.
I just got angry when he didn't state a reason in the edit summary to keep the status as unknown. I didn't list Kail's status as deceased but I think it's pretty obvious that Kail is dead. I saw all of 24: Conspiracy's episodes but I've only seen one episode of 24. It's strange that the writers of the show didn't bother to reveal what happened to other certain characters. Anyway, I'll leave his status as unknown due to your website's rules. --72.186.97.26 12:27, January 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * It is pretty clear that Kail most likely winds up dying shortly after that scene, but this wiki doesn't concern itself about unspecified future events. All we care about here is when they were last seen or heard. ... It's one of the prerogatives of show writers to leave fates open-ended, so we just describe the events as they happened, without regard to future possibilities. 02:28, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Forbidden Character
Hey again Blue Rook, not to bother you lots, but I was wondering if you ever noticed this guy from the first half of series 1 for your forbidden characters. He's basically a henchman of Gaines, but he is in the Gaines's safehouse pointing a gun at Bridgit, then he follows Gaines to the compound and brings Kim to him (he even says a little 'get in there', meaning he could maybe be an unnamed terrorist), then he hangs around the computer room and Gaines shouts at him, then we get this lovely shot of him guarding the gates, then he shoots at Jack's van during the escape. He's in lots of episodes, unlike the other compound guards who come and go every 2 episodes when they get in fresh extras! Just a thought, --Acer4666 23:12, January 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Please don't ever feel you are ever being bothersome; this project is my hobby and the community here keeps it alive!
 * The good news about that henchman is: if he speaks, he isn't "forbidden", which is far more desirable for characters with regards to this project. If you have the episode references (especially for when he speaks), you are welcome to insert an Unnamed entry for him or get one started. I'll be happy to help. 07:28, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

New unnamed terrorist
Hey Blue Rook. I made a new unnamed terrorist entry for this guy played by Jay Harik during Day 4: 7:00pm-8:00pm. He's obviously hardly notable, but since he did recieve a co-star credit, I made an entry for him. I was mostly interested because he was chatting with your Cigarette Smoking Man. I'm truly sorry this image is so blurry and out of focus, but it's the best I could get. Do you think you can take a better image? --ASHPD24 01:33, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Technically, you are right, he is eligible for an Unnamed Entry because of the co-star credit. And trust me, I do understand how hard it is to get a real image of him (having tried earnestly myself awhile back). It took me forever to even realize that it was Jay Harik in that scene in the first place. But in this case I wonder if a picture is necessary. The image is so blurry that it is not useful. Additionally, there is no policy which states that a character must have an image.
 * On a different topic, how do you feel about changing the name of "Category:Characters who only appeared in one episode" to "Category:Single-episode characters"? The shortest possible name for a category is much more preferable for appearance's sake. The credit for creating this particular category idea is always yours of course, and if you agree, I am willing to do all the grunt work of actually replacing the categories on all those pages. 05:48, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Great idea, I never thought of that. Go ahead, it takes a while to get through all the characters! --ASHPD24 08:36, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Hey Blue Rook, Thank you for the dead on award you gave me yesterday! It really meant a lot I hope I can continue to be active in this community and help out making sure everything is up to date. I joined the wiki a couple of years ago and wanted to get involved, and went through season 1 making a comprehensive list of Gaines’s baddies with pictures—then my computer broke and lost my work! My big project one day is to make a point and click flash game of Day 1, but flash was on my old computer and I only got upto designing the room Jack plays chess in before the computer broke. This wiki helped a lot in the planning tho so it good to be able to give something back now. I also like to make videos, I have a 24 themed one which I can email you if you want. Anyway thank you for all the help in getting me started here!--Acer4666 11:22, January 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's my pleasure to recognize sincere effort and excellent work. Regarding the data you lost, it is sad to hear about that, so remember from now on to back-up your content on a Flash Drive data stick, or CD-RWs, an online storage place, or something else! I really hope you are able to re-create your original research, but to improve it so it is even better. The page you've started about Gaines' people is great and I would love to see a fuller version of it sometime.
 * Feel free to email me using the "Wikia Email" feature and I'll reply, so you can send your custom video. I look forward to seeing it. If it is on YouTube you may be able to just link it like Pyramidhead links his own video.
 * Finally, a Flash Game of Season 1 would be something to be very proud of. If you realistically have the time to spend on such a thing, don't give up the dream. Also, don't make the same mistake twice! Backup everything :) 01:46, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Blue Rook, I've been trying to tackle the uncategorised images page -by my count we should have it down to 16 images when it loads tomorrow! I have a question - there are a few images of props, and I'm unsure of how to categorise them? Also I don't have ther dvds of series 7&8, swo I can't quite finish off those last images! ps if you get around to it, the 'guest starring' image and the shot of pierce's face (thanks to the caption) I'm sure are from s7, I'm just unable to verify them. Not that I'm trying to 'commission' work out of you tho ;)!--Acer4666 13:17, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've noticed! Your visual memory—to know which episodes to look for them—must be amazing I suspect; or have you have actually been spotting each of those screencaps in the episodes by checking all the appearances? I can personally attest that those were the hardest. A long time back I tagged many, many of them, but they were mostly easy ones.
 * As for the remaining ones, I'll wait and see when the others get taken from the list. Whichever ones I can categorize I will do so. It will be a great day when that list gets down to zero. Hard work, well earned. 14:10, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, it'sno amazing visual memory I'm afraid - just been getting the pics up on the dvds. But I'm sure they are all right, as I have got almost the same image for each one give or take a few frames, all except this.
 * Any thoughts on how to categorise the prop pics, like the newspapers from redemption?--Acer4666 14:25, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Character links
I don't think it's necessary to link to Single-episode characters at the end of every single one. After all, we don't do that for ones that are in a lot of episodes; it seems a little unnecessary since the page isn't inherently related to so-and-so character. As for "Secret Service," don't the links in the first line and the sidebar suffice? --Pyramidhead 08:01, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Which characters should get the links then? I wasn't able to think of a useful criteria so I just started linking them all. We might as well leave up the ones I've done.
 * Additionally, I did not want to undo ASHPD24's category work. 08:05, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see the benefit in linking to these huge lists from any character pages, honestly. They're not really related enough to justify being in the "See also" section, and it looks odd to have that section after the appearances box. Certainly we should keep the categories and the lists though, just link to them from the "People" browser and maybe the 24 article. --Pyramidhead 08:12, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * That was a mistype; I meant to keep typing: I did not want to undo ASHPD24's category work without replacing it with links to the replacement article. We never had precedent for "number of appearances" categories and they don't sit well with me, either, so I made the replacement article to take its spot. Do you think we should keep that category? 08:15, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you want to keep that category, I just had a thought: can you script Movebot to replace every instance of Category:Characters who only appeared in one episode with Category:Single-episode characters? If so, I'll go back and swap that back in for those whose articles I already deleted it from. 08:20, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, it was a category? That's even worse. I'm strongly opposed to grouping any of the characters by how many episodes they were in on the actual articles. --Pyramidhead 17:17, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Now I'm confused. What the heck did you mean when you said "Certainly we should keep the categories"? 01:10, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with pages like Recurring characters, and Single-episode characters seems to fit in with that paradigm. I'm against linking to those pages or having categories for them on character articles. Unlike categories like "Day X characters," these characters have absolutely nothing noteworthy in common besides that their actors were contracted for one episode. --Pyramidhead 04:38, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not trying to perseverate about this with the intention of being annoying, but I'm guessing that when you typed "Certainly we should keep the categories" it was just an error then, correct? Only reason I keep pestering about this is because undoing all those categorizations is a whopping task and I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding opinions before I proceed. 04:42, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Guess I misspoke, yeah. I'm not sure what I thought I was referring to, but yes - I don't think we need categories based on number of episode appearances, single or multiple. Sorry for the confusion. --Pyramidhead 04:43, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alrighty. Please let me know if you are willing/able to use Movebot to clean some of those out. Btw, this may be the quickest-response convo I've ever had at this project. 04:46, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Question
Should the images on the pages from Charters (Day 7) and Turner not being in the infobox?--Station7 09:57, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * In this case, it isn't appropriate because Larry Moss completely dominates the image. If the guys were more visible, it would make sense like with Adam (Forbes bodyguard) and Jason (Day 4), but here it is very different because it would be misleading. 10:34, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Very easy to understand of course :) --Station7 21:57, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Miscellany
Hey, I thought I'd make a topic to post minor questions under. First one - when I move misspelled articles do I have to make a note in the articles for deletion page, or will you pick up the redirects if I just leave an afd tag on them? Is the afd page just for potentially controversial deletions?--Acer4666 18:16, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you'd like the old misspelling to be deleted, you can choose to surpass the AFD article page, and type something like "delete old RD" somewhere in the move summary as a signal for me to toss it. The AFD discussions are intended for content pages, like you mentioned, so redirects are generally non-controversial. 04:19, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, you know that category change we did a while back, splitting mentioned characters into ones for the different days - I presume that came out of a desire to see just the mentioned characters for a specific day in a big list? Cos sometimes I fancy seeing like just day 1 locations or that sort of thing, but then again it's also good to be able to see all 24 locations in a big list - so I think splitting down the locations category into days is a bad idea. Maybe it's the fault of wikia rather than our organisation system, maybe there should be a way to view everything with 'locations' AND 'day 1' categories together, without messing on with categories. Can u do this? The other alternative is having 'day 1', 'locations', 'day 1 locations', etc on every article which would be a big mess of the category section! Hm I'm not really sure why I'm posting this, it's not really a question or anything, just thoughts from my head. Also I think maybe I don't like the location category having 'africa' next to '12199 Kipling Avenue' next to 'University of Belgrade' if you know what I mean? Anyways, don't know if you have any thoughts on this, thought I'd share my ponderings!--Acer4666 00:05, February 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hm... continents and street addresses all in one place does actually seem... inadequately planned. Now you have me thinking. I've always hated that "Locations" included places that were only mentioned, but, there really is no way around it. Also, it's a really bad idea to try to make "Mentioned locations" or "Day 1 mentioned locations" etc. The only alternative to the current system that comes to mind is this: we use "Locations" strictly as a parent category for other categories. Then, we restrict our place articles to only one of the following (some of which already exist): "Continents", "Countries", "Cities", "Neighborhoods", "Street addresses", "Schools", and "Building names". In the end, those 5 categs would be placed inside Locations, which would have no articles itself (exactly like "Mentioned characters" was updated to only have sub-categories). Does this make sense/sound good to you? 13:54, February 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah man, what the hell? I left a big message in reply to this and now it's gone! What I said was that your idea sounded good, if we have a think about the categories - for one thing, if we have a 'schools' subcategory, then why not prisons & hospitals etc., and that gets into organisation/location confusion that I still don't have clear in my own head yet!
 * The other thing was whether it was frowned upon to have, like we do for weapons and category:weapons, an article called locations where we can organise them how we choose, with a note at the top saying 'this is a list by season, for the automatic alphabetical list go here' sort of thing?
 * Also I thought that mentioned locations weren't so bad some of the time, and they got interesting if they were mentioned more than once cos it's good to see how the mentions of real life places link together. Dunno if you're seen some of the articles for roads I've made, but I've only made them for roads that pop up more than once. But I guess we've started to cover mentioned location notability over at Macys' plaza talk page.
 * Hopefully this message will stay this time!!--Acer4666 00:03, February 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't support an article like that for the locations, because categories in these cases would really do the work automatically for us.
 * Also, if you prefer not to save your posts to a text file before clicking Publish, you could alternatively just Copy them to your clipboard before Publishing. This way, if the save fails, you at least have it on your clipboard to simply reload and paste. This method doesn't protect you against browser/computer crashes, however, whereas saving to a word processor actually does. 09:17, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I was just checking whether I was moving pages right - it's just if you search for something like 'Palmer Campaign Hotel' in the search box, the autofill only recognises 'Palmer's Hotel', the old title which is only a redirect. Is this a glitch in wikia or have I moved it wrongly?--Acer4666 00:01, February 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * You didn't do anything wrong. It's most likely just the wiki being slow to update the Autofill feature, or something. Not precisely on this topic, but related, is the fact that this amazing article isn't linked much. I'll help when I see opportunities, but let's get the links out there! 05:53, February 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah brilliant. Yeah I was about to sit down last night and link it all but I thought I'd check the redirects were all ok before doing it - didn't want to go round changing a load of links from 'campaign hotel' to 'palmer's hotel' or anything!--Acer4666 10:53, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hey man, just to let you know I'm away all of next week if you think I've disappeared. Let me know if any major stuff happens! Also, you never told me about this page when I was categorising those images - it looks like I've got my work cut out for when I return haha! Hope you have a good week on the wiki --Acer4666 23:51, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh and have a good week generally for that matter haha - realised it sounded like I didn't wna include that --Acer4666 23:53, February 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't think of mentioning those to you, but yes, those do eventually need exactly your kind of expertise at some point... and there are several more handfuls that need to be verified too, but we just don't know which ones yet, because they are categorized with Character Images categs etc. and therefore don't appear inside the Uncategorized Files special. As we find more of those, we should categorize them or at least label them with that pna for image verification.
 * Hope you enjoy the vacation Acer! I'll try to get the highlights for you when you come back, about what goes on over here. 06:22, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Welcome
Hi, thank you for the quasi-welcome. Do you or anyone else mind if I fix up some typos using AutoWikiBrowser? --Cook Me Plox


 * I'm sure you're accustomed to the "standard boilerplate" welcomes :) But it is sincere nevertheless. And, of course, your spell checking work is invaluable. Many mistakes persist on our articles, so thanks very much for fixing those! But if you plan on going on another typo killing spree, would you consider registering another account so it can be flagged as a Bot, and then doing the corrections with that account? It isn't necessary, technically, but it would help our Recent Changes patrollers who choose to not show Bot edits. It might just take a few hours or a day to get the flag approved. Either way, I appreciate the work, and I hope you come back to do more. 09:17, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Certainly, please flag CookBot. Thanks.  --Cook Me Plox 09:20, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, regarding Wayne Palmer, is the newspaper story not considered canon, or is there some confusion about if "the death of his predecessor" refers to Wayne or someone else (Keeler?) --Cook Me Plox 09:25, February 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * I just sent the request to Wikia for the flag (bureaucrats here don't have that ability [yet?], for some reason).
 * The Wayne Palmer demise article you mention is still actually an open discussion. It's one of the most interesting things we haven't had a full discussion about. The "predecessor" does refer to Wayne. But the open debate is whether we are going to include it as canon because those words themselves weren't visible on-screen. I believe we should include it, because it was specifically created for the show, and the paper is visible on the screen even though you can't read everything. What are your thoughts. 09:35, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I said something on the talk page. --Cook Me Plox 10:44, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

David Kilde
I have send David Kilde an e-mail and asked if he played either Adam or Jason. Well, I hope he reacts ;) --Station7 21:19, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * You don't need to send emails to the performers unless it's a matter of contention among the community. Did you send because you don't think it is Kilde portraying that character? 22:20, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, because I want to know who he played and maybe we can figure out because of that who the other actor was.--Station7 23:22, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha that is actually a great idea, I would never have thought of it. 00:32, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Well, it looks like Brett DeLuca, who plays either Charters (Day 7) or Turner has another role in season 7, watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcAbezXgdoE.--Station7 21:39, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * That first one seems to be his appearance in 6a-7am. That probably was not "another" role in that episode: it's likely that it was his only role in that episode. I'm wrong if he reappears as an FBI agent within that hour but my notes say he was FBI in 6pm-7pm and 9-10pm only. If you can check the 6am episode before I do, we can be sure. 22:36, February 28, 2011 (UTC)