User talk:Thief12/Season5Thugs

Mr Ponytail
I was wondering about Mr Ponytail - do you think it is the same actor portraying him when he's dead, after the crash? His beard seems to have shrunk a bit after he's died, but perhaps it's just the angle. I think the actor after the crash could be Jimmy N. Roberts, a stunt driver who has worked on 24, (looks like Tim Roth), but it would seem strange that they'd have a different guy wearing the shades in the previous shot. Perhaps it is the same guy--Acer4666 11:50, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Jon Cassar says in the commentary that he had to reshoot some of those scenes in post-production because of the injury to the actor portraying Kohler. So it's possible that either the same actor or another actor stood in at two different times with different "levels" of beard. I do know that Cassar barely focuses on him and the other guy through that scene. Thief12 02:52, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can say with absolute certainty that the actor who portrays him here is Jimmy N. Roberts. He hasn't changed his appearance a bit from Season 4. --ASHPD24 03:03, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Shooter
Thief did you know about File:5x3_shooter.jpg / File:5x03-beresch-shooter-cropped.jpg? There isn't really a need to choose one over the other if you don't want, just thought you might want to know about potential duplicate. 16:16, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know about these if you didn't already as well: File:Danny Hebert.jpg, File:Achmed.jpg and File:Jerry G Angelo.jpg, obvs one is OOU and the others may not be the shots you want, but just in case you didn't wanna have to search for pics of them!--Acer4666 17:07, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Blue Rook, I didn't know about that duplicate. I don't know, I'm kinda partial to mine because, although darker, it looks less blurrier; plus I like the effect of the gun being fired at the moment. We'll see as I keep on working on the page.
 * Acer, yeah, I have about a dozen pictures from the most obscure terrorists, but I just started uploading them yesterday. Did we already settle on that guy being Achmed? I thought there was an open discussion about it being ambiguous. Anyway, I'll keep uploading the other pics I have today. Thief12 17:39, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was just the file name I gave it, the discussion is still open. I'm realising now to be careful what I call files I upload as I can't move them!--Acer4666 17:41, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * If anyone wants files moved, just let me know somewhere, I'll be happy to do it. 18:06, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Kohler is dead?
Hey, what's with the "Kohler is dead" line on all of the bottom photos? --ASHPD24 22:45, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm in the middle of editing something. Wait for it. Thief12 22:55, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

8:00am-9:00am
Just went through this episode once again and I wanted to make a breakdown of terrorists for the sake of ongoing discussions about stunts/actors/characters involved.

First, as Beresch and his men are driving to the airport, we see six people in the back of the van with him. 1. Big, Long-haired, Bearded Guy, seen loading a rifle. 2. Spectacled Nerdy Guy (Dilbert!) 3. A sorta thin, white guy (see below)

4. Vlad 5. Another long-haired, bearded guy, shorter beard (Darrell! see below) 6. Jerry G. Angelo's character

Plus, a driver and someone else up front? When they arrive at Ontario Airport, Beresch walks in with #1 (Bigbeard), #2 (Dilbert), #5 (Darrell), and #6 (Jerry Angelo). As he looks to the right, Danny Hebert walks in with another bald guy, and two more guys that look like #4 (Vlad?) and #3 above. Could it be that Hebert and the other bald guy were in front of the van driving?

After a while, Beresch explodes the van and starts shooting and taking over... 1. Dilbert, Darrell, and Gus are close to him. 2. Two guys walk in from a back hallway (bald one and black-shirt guy) 3. Darrell shoots an airport guard. 4. Gus shoots another airport guard. 5. Vlad and Danny Hebert walk through the back door, knock a civilian and hold Derek in place.

So, there had to be a second transport because, even if Hebert and the baldy that walks with him were driving the van, that still leaves Gus, and the two guys that walk from the back hallway out. Plus, we are still not counting Beresch's lieutenant, so-called Achmed, or Randall Archer, that will start appearing in the next episode.

(To be continued on the next episode)

9:00am-10:00am
As terrorists take control of the terminal, Angelo and another long-haired terrorist secure the doors, while other terrorists spray cameras, and most terrorists surround hostages in a circle. In the picture, we see (from l to r):

1. Dilbert (almost hidden behind the colum) 2. Darrell (long hair, wearing vest) 3. A baldy that's not Ibrim, but also wearing a vest (see picture). 4. I think it's Blackshirt, who walked to the terminal with another baldy (see above). 5. I think it's Vlad, way in the back of the terminal. 6. Gus (also wearing vest) 7. Jerry G. Angelo's character 8. Mophair, picking up phones 9. Chad (also with longhair, hardly visible) 10. Bigbeard (walked into the terminal with Beresch)

We also see Ibrim for the first time watching the hostages, and Randall "Boris" shoots the first hostage when he tries to use his cellphone. We can also see that the ones wearing explosive vests are:

1. Ibrim 2. Gus 3. Darrell 4. Baldy

As hostages throw their cellphones, another terrorist with a sort of mop-like hair is seen picking them up, while Ibrim and Randall Boris drag the dead hostage away. Also, we see Beresch's lieutenant for the first time, with so-called Achmed, as they look for Chevensky.

A while later, Jack contacts Buchanan and tells him about the situation, while taking pictures of the terrorists with his cellphone. He takes pictures of:

1. A bald, Asian-looking terrorist that walked from the back with Blackshirt in the previous ep. 2. Gus and Vlad, if I'm not mistaken. 3. Another terrorist with an explosive vest, probably the Baldy I mentioned above. 4. Anton Beresch

When Beresch makes his first on-camera statement, both his lieutenant and Randall "Boris" Archer stand beside him, masked. As Jack looks down on the terrorists, we see two long-haired terrorists, different from the ones we already know (one with brown, short-sleeved shirt, wavy blond hair, called him Chad above; there's another one with a short ponytail, and a black jacket. Not sure if it's the same as Mophair, whom I mentioned above also; and I think the third one is the bald, Asian-looking terrorist Jack took a picture of). When Buchanan contacts Beresch, we see again Blackshirt, Darrell, Baldy with vest, and Ibrim. After talking to Buchanan, Beresch picks up a hostage from the group, while Angelo and Baldy watch the others. Beresch puts the man in front of the camera and shoots him himself. After Beresch grabs Derek to execute, Jack sends Ibrim's picture to Chloe. As Beresch is about to execute Derek, we see Ibrim walk past another long-haired terrorist. When Ibrim blows up, the terrorist is knocked down and, although he moves a little after falling, we see his body later on the floor when Jack surrenders. After the explosion, a masked terrorist stays with Derek, while the others check out what happened. I initially thought it was Randall Archer, but he walks past Beresch's lieutenant as they check the hallway where Ibrim exploded. However, it could be a mistake in editing, because he seems to have the same build as Archer, and is wearing similar clothes (black jacket and pants, with a dark blue shirt). Beresch then reassembles the terrorists to check their detonators and see what happened. The first ones to approach Beresch, however, aren't visibly wearing vests and don't seem to be any of the usual terrorists seen already. The tall, bald one could be the Asian-looking one I mentioned before, while the other white guy could be the one that walked with Danny Hebert in the previous episode. However, the shot has too much light from the window and I cannot distinguish them. After Beresch talks with Cummings, he calls on "C team" from among the terrorists. The following terrorists approach him:

1. Bald Asian-looking guy 2. Dilbert 3. Angelo 4. White guy with brown jacket, could be the one I mentioned above 5. Long-haired terrorist with ponytail (Mophair?)

After Beresch sends them away, he receives a call from someone. He then asks the hostages up and Blackshirt brings him a laptop. After jamming Jack's signal and calling him to come out, the terrorist that had been guarding Derek comes forward and lifts his mask. We can see it's Archer, so it's probable that what happened earlier during the explosion was indeed a goof.

As Jack comes forward and Beresch's lieutenant points his gun at him, Archer secures him. At this point, we can see the dead body of the second terrorist from the explosion lying on the floor.

(to be continued on the next episode)

10:00am-11:00am
Randall Boris Archer takes Jack's cellphone and gives it to Beresch. Beresch tells him to find a map of the terminal, and then asks his lieutenant to pick another hostage. At this point, we can see Vlad in the back of the room, and Beresch asks him to guard Jack.

As the lieutenant walks towards the hostages, we see Baldy, Chad (longhair, short sleeves), and Bigbeard, all of them wearing explosive vests. When the lieutenant picks up Erwich, Beresch tells him to pick someone else. He then picks up a young guy and, like with the other hostage, it is him and the lieutenant who lead the execution.

As Beresch watches coverage of the summit with his lieutenant, Randall Archer brings him the map. Beresch hands his tablet to a white terrorist with a brown jacket. This could be the same terrorist that Jack saw from above the terminal when Beresch called the "C-team".

After the fake call to CTU, Beresch tells Ivan and Ishmael to stay with the hostages, but we don't see who he's talking to. He then orders the rest of the terrorists to follow him. The next time we see them, they are all aligned in the hallway where CTU is supposed to come, but when Beresch looks to the hostages, only three terrorists are visible with them (Darrell, Baldy, and I think it's Gus in the back), so there's a possibility that two of these are Ivan and Ishmael. Of course, that's about all we have.

Later, the lieutenant comes running and tells Beresch that Achmed found Chevensky dead. When Beresch asks for the keycard, the lieutenant tells Beresch that Chevensky had it hidden, so it's not clear whether Achmed knew about the keycard. As Beresch goes towards the hostages, he points to Baldy and another terrorist we don't see to guard the hostages. Again, we don't know if they're the same Ivan and Ishmael he had told earlier. As the terrorists prepare to meet the CTU tac team, we see Angelo, Bald-Asian-guy, the white guy with the brown jacket, and probably Gus. As the lieutenant runs down the hallway, there's another tall bald one, looks like the Baldy that was watching the hostages, but Beresch had just told him to do that, so who knows. There's also another hostage with long, black hair that I hadn't seen before.

As the camera pan across the terrorists waiting in the hallway, we see one that looks like Gus, a guy that's dressed like Angelo but doesn't look like him, Bald-Asian guy, and the white guy with the brown jacket, standing with Beresch. After the first explosion occurs, I'll defer to ASHPD24's analysis in the Achmed talk page, since it's quite accurate:

3. 2 terrorists with their backs to the main concourse (1 with grey jacket and bluish shirt and 1 with a brown sweatshirt wearing an explosive vest) are visibly gunned down by the SWAT team. [There's another terrorist standing nearby, but he's not visibly killed in this shot.]


 * These are the same ones I just described above. The first one is the one that looks like Jerry G. Angelo, but clearly wasn't. The second one is the one that looked like Gus, but wasn't.

4. 3 more terrorists (1 with long hair, a beard, and wearing a t-shirt with an explosive vest, 2 others wearing same) are also killed.


 * These are the ones that remained with the hostages. Most of the ones we see fall are long-haired. The one with the t-shirt and the explosive vest is probably the one I've been calling Chad. The other two are probably Darrell and Bigbeard, cause that's the spot where they were usually seen.

5. A large terrorist wearing a dark blue jacket is shot and falls through a window next to where Jack is standing.


 * This seems to be Randall Archer cause he is wearing similar clothes (black jacket and dark shirt), but when Jack takes his gun, we see he has a goatee, while Archer didn't (he had light stubbles, but that was it).

6. Beresch's lieutenant and another terrorist (with long hair, black jacket and brown shirt) are both shot from behind. [Another terrorist rushes forward but he's not visibly shot here.]


 * This guy with long, black hair is the one I just mentioned above. First time he appeared in the show.

7. Jack (using a gun he got from Kill #5) shoots a terrorist with a brown jacket and crewcut.


 * To me, this one kinda looked like Vlad.

8. 2 more terrorists (1 wearing a light blue jacket, the other wearing dark blue) are both shot from the front.


 * This is a very swift shot, and almost looks like a reshoot of the first time the TAC team enters the concourse, hence the killing of the light blue jacket one (Angelo?). This brief shot is quite a mess, really.

9. Jack shoots another terrorist wearing a light blue jacket with a dark blue shirt underneath.


 * This one looks like the same guy that was first killed by the TAC team.

10. 1 additional terrorist (wearing dark brown jacket) seen lying dead in foreground. 11. The bald bearded terrorist from #3 shown lying dead also. 12. Another terrorist shown in a previous shot wearing a bluish jacket shown dead as well.


 * I only saw some dead bodies, and didn't really distinguish them.

During this time, Vlad is not shown killed, the terrorist played by Archer is also not shown visibly. Same goes for tis terrorist whom you take to be Achmed. Though given that they said all the terrorists had been killed, they probably where, but not explicitly shown.


 * Like I said, I kinda thought the one killed in #7 was Vlad, and I think they meant the #5 kill to be Archer.

Overall, I think the whole stunts/extras thing in this episode was a mess. It seems to me that they brought a couple of extras or stunts that weren't in the previous two episodes and dressed them to look like the previous ones for continuity. Then, they shot the scene like hell, and thought no one would notice.

Randall Archer

 * Randall Archer's character first appears in 9:00am-10:00am. He has sorta-longish hair, combed back, and slight stubbles on his face. He is tall, with a strong build, and wears a black jacket and pants, with a dark blue shirt.
 * His first notable moment is when he shoots a hostage that's about to use the phone.
 * He and Ibrim then drag the body of the hostage away.
 * He, along with Beresch's lieutenant, is one of the terrorists that stand beside Beresch during the executions. Does that mean he had a superior rank than the rest of the thugs?
 * There's also a moment that I think it's a goof, after Ibrim explodes just when they are about to execute Derek, the lieutenant and Beresch run to check what's happening while Archer's terrorist stays with Derek. However, as the lieutenant walks down the hallway where Ibrim died, we see Archer's terrorist walking past him. When Beresch is about to call on Jack Bauer, he calls the terrorist that was guarding Derek, and we see that he still was Archer.
 * He cuffs Jack Bauer when he comes out of hiding.


 * After taking out Jack's cellphone and giving it to Beresch, he orders him to look for a map of the airport. After a while, he brings it to Beresch.
 * As the rest of the terrorists prepare to meet the TAC team, he stands beside the counter where Beresch was (this is the last time we actually see Archer).
 * During the shoot-out with the TAC team, the terrorist that's shot down through a glass is wearing the same clothes as Archer (black jacket, dark blue shirt) and has about the same build. However, when Jack takes off the gun from the dead body, you can barely see half of his face, with a goatee. Archer had slight stubbles, but no goatee.

Jerry G. Angelo

 * Jerry G. Angelo's character first appears in 8:00am-9:00am. He has black short hair, and no facial hair. He is mostly short, but with a strong, stocky build. He wears a light blue jacket, with light blue jeans.
 * He sits beside Anton Beresch in the van as they head to the airport.
 * He enters the airport along Beresch and three other terrorists.
 * He helps control the crowd of hostages as Beresch talks.


 * He seals most of the doors with a pump-lock or something.
 * He then stays with the other terrorists surrounding the hostages.
 * When Beresch summons C-team, he is one of the terrorists that approaches him.


 * When Beresch finds out about the ambush, he calls most of his terrorists to guard the hallway where they are supposed to enter. A terrorist that looks like Angelo's terrorist and is dressed like him is one of the main terrorists in the hallway.
 * Once the TAC team appears from behind, the Angelo look-alike is apparently shot. After awhile, Jack apparently shoots the same guy, while another shot shows the TAC team yet again shooting the same terrorist in what appears to be a mess of reshoots and bad edits.

Danny Hebert

 * Danny Hebert's character first appears in 8:00am-9:00am. He has very short hair, and no facial hair. He is tall, mostly thin, with big ears. He is dressed all in black, with long sleeves.
 * He enters the airport through a different door than Beresch, with four other terrorists.
 * After Beresch explodes the van, Hebert's terrorist and Vlad storm the terminal through an alternate exit, where Derek was heading to.
 * Hebert is sitting in a counter, while Jerry G. Angelo's terrorist locks the door.
 * He is guarding the hostages early in the episode (this is the last time Hebert's character is seen).

Vlad

 * Vlad first appears in 8:00am-9:00am. He has short-ish, blond/brown hair, and no facial hair. He is short, and thin, with a long nose. He is wearing a brown jacket, with a greenish shirt.
 * He is the fourth terrorist in the van, on Beresch's side.
 * He enters the airport with Danny Hebert's character, and two other terrorists.
 * He and Hebert's terrorist storm the terminal through an alternate exit, where Derek was heading to.


 * I think he mostly stays in the back of the terminal, beside the big windows.
 * I also think he is one of the terrorists Jack takes a picture of.


 * Beresch asks him to guard Jack and Derek.
 * After the TAC team storms the terminal, Jack shots and kills Vlad with a gun from one of the terrorists.
 * I think his body is lying close to where Jack is.

Ibrim

 * Ibrim first appears in 9:00am-10:00am. He is bald, with a light goatee. He is tall and strong. He is wearing a dark shirt, with 3/4 sleeves, plus an Armani explosive vest.
 * He and Randall Archer's terrorist drag the body of the hostage that tried to use the cellphone.
 * Then he is mostly seen guarding the hostages.
 * He is one of the terrorists Jack takes a picture of.
 * When he decides to wander around the airport, Jack manages to blow his vest killing him.

Nerdy-looking terrorist

 * I like to call him Dilbert
 * Dilbert first appears in 8:00am-9:00am. He has short, dark hair, with a receding hairline, and no facial hair. He is medium height, with glasses. He is wearing a long, greyish overcoat.
 * He is the second terrorist in the van, on Beresch's opposite side.
 * He enters the airport along Beresch and three other terrorists.
 * He helps control the crowd of hostages after Beresch explodes the van.


 * He mostly stays with the other terrorists guarding the hostages.
 * Like Jerry G. Angelo's terrorist, he is part of C-team. When Beresch summons them, he is one of the terrorists that approaches him (this is the last time he is seen).

Black-jacket terrorist

 * He first appears in 8:00am-9:00am. He has an almost-shaved head, and no facial hair. He is medium height, and thin. He is wearing a black jacket and jeans.
 * He enters through a back hallway of the airport, with a bald terrorist.
 * He mostly stays with the other terrorists guarding the hostages.
 * He brings a laptop to Beresch, which he uses to jam Jack's signal.
 * He mostly stayed close to the area where the hostages were held.

The above breakdown
Hey, wasn't sure where to leave comments without sticking them in the middle of your breakdown - you need a talk page for your talk page! I was just wondering - in 8-9am, when the takeover happens, from Jack's POV he sees a terrorist ushering hostages down a corridor through a window in the door. He's got short black hair and wearing a navy blue top. I can't seem to match him up to anyone on your breakdown - I was wondering if you have mananged to?--Acer4666 07:42, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Eventually, I'll switch some of these info to the original userpage for the Season 5 thugs, and leave this for comments. But I just chose to do this while I rewatched the episodes. I know it's a mess, but I'll keep breaking it down, like I started, by terrorists, instead of by episode. Anyway, I'll check what you said today. Thief12 20:52, June 12, 2011 (UTC)