User talk:SignorSimon/Archive 3

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Pokeboard
From now on, if I have a really fast question to ask you (like to verify some edit or whatever), I'll just post it here with a new bullet-point, instead of starting an entire new thread for a minor thing.. with the point being that you can answer right underneath each bullet-point. Sounds cool? I'll just add to it as it moves down the list, and I can start a new one whenever you archive your talk stuff next.


 * Can you verify this diff and check that crew member's icons and categs? 03:07, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a great idea! I'll start one on yours when I next have something minor to ask you. I just watched 5x24 and Lary is listed as transportation coordinator so it's right! I'll add a categ and change the main crew page. -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 07:42, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good thinking. I'll add: Since we seem to approve of Template:Countdown, would you be willing to add the necessary code? Just put in my two classes and paste my timer function over the current one. --Pyramidhead 09:46, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Simon do you want to keep those Unused Files like File:Episodes-OneShot.jpg clippings? I'm counting about 14 of them. 17:51, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Random question
Awhile back (in your talk archive 1) I was bugging you about Max in The Game. Something else has come to my mind that I forgot to ask: when they learned that Max had to watch his family be killed, was it implied that this happened before Day 2, and therefore inspired him to attack America then? Or could the context have been more like the following: he was revealed after Day 2 and then his terrorist clients turned on him between Day 2 and The Game? If you can remember, thanks man. (I've got this old fanfic I'm trying to make believably air-tight when it comes to loose ends in the whole series plot of 24.) 00:16, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry dude, I really can't remember. I'll have a crack at making it to that mission again on the Game and try to write down word-for-word what is said, but I haven't played it in years. I've got a fanfic as well set between Day 3-4 that deals with the people from Day 2 who never got away... I wrote meticulously 12 or 13 hours of it then I haven't even opened the document in about a year. I really do need to get back to that... (as well as that other project I told you about!) -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 16:23, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Here's another rando: what's a good image source categ for File:CTUDay8FloorPlan.jpg and File:Day8CTULogo.jpg? 01:04, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do we not have some kind of CTU images category? -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 03:14, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Nope but I meant a source categ, not a content categ. Where'd the images come from? Special features? 03:39, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh sorry I understand. Well it's from Carlos Barbosa :) I emailed him and asked him about the floor plan for use on the CTU New York building article and he had that drawn out that he was happy to give to me. So I don't really know what category that would fall under. -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 11:26, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Haha that figures! You're out of control man. At this rate I'll see a name tag on someone with your real name printed on it in a couple of episodes. (And I'll go with "special features" categ for those files.) Nice work bro! 15:25, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * If only! -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email)

Vandalism report
Right here. Regards,

Nicmavr (Talk)


 * Thanks man. It looks like Blue Rook dealt with it! -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 10:30, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Sig
How Do You Make A Signature??? --Ianwwenhl10 18:48, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You go into Preferences on the top bar. It's a section in there. -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 21:14, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

"Next" picture
Hey, I was wondering if you could link me where you found the Jack/Chloe photo you used for the Day 8 picture. I have the actual clock font and was thinking I might fool around with it. --Pyramidhead 19:44, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Its just a random one that isn't really categorised into any season. I put it with Season 6 because it was around that time that I first saw it. It's only a very small image as well, I used it pretty much as big as possible. You can find it here - -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 09:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Owned!
This Owned! Award goes to admin SignorSimon! You took the time to finish the QOTD. It was a seemingly endless task, but now it's one less obstacle and the wiki is that much closer to having its "finite projects" completed. Thanks a bunch, man. (Also I had to invent another color for these barnstars you keep getting!) 21:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Fan Ficiton
Hey I was wondering if there is a fan fiction area here? If not is it possible to create? I would enjoy reading them as well as creating them.

Nvander 15:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * There isn't on this website, as this is just an encyclopaedia for all things 24. However there is a 24 fanfic website that I've put some of my work on, its at http://www.fanfic.net/24 -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 15:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Nightfall
Hey, Simon. I see you've uploaded most (if not, all) of the Nightfall pictures. I was wondering if you scanned those pictures from copies of the comics or if you downloaded them online. I'd like to make a subpage comparing character depictions and also read those comics myself. Thanks in advance.--Citizen91 21:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I uploaded pictures scanned from the comics as I own them myself. -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 22:00, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome note.
Hi SignorSimon! Thanks for the welcome note. I love how complete Wiki 24 is. That's awesome! I work on Wikipedia frequently and have just started browsing around this Wikia project. I just left a post on the discussion page for Manual of Style. It concerns the use of past tense when writing in the in-universe style. Please take a look at the post and, if the topic is something you're interested in, leave a reply directly on that talk page. Cheers, Ask123 22:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Prison Break
I have read your user page and I saw about Prison Break. If you're a fan of the show, you can always come to the Prison Break Wikia. A little help from a Prison Break fan is always good. Think about it ;) But I don't know if you're a fan. --Station7 17:49, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Collapsible navboxes
Hey, I'm working on a (possible) replacement for the character appearances templates, but I need to add some things to Common.css and Common.js in order to test out the collapsible navbox template from Wikipedia. Would you be willing to stick these in? --Pyramidhead 04:22, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

In .js:

/** Collapsible tables ********************************************************* * *  Description: Allows tables to be collapsed, showing only the header. See *              NavFrame. * Maintainers: User:R. Koot */ var autoCollapse = 2; var collapseCaption = "hide"; var expandCaption = "show"; function collapseTable( tableIndex ) {    var Button = document.getElementById( "collapseButton" + tableIndex ); var Table = document.getElementById( "collapsibleTable" + tableIndex ); if ( !Table || !Button ) { return false; }    var Rows = Table.rows; if ( Button.firstChild.data == collapseCaption ) { for ( var i = 1; i < Rows.length; i++ ) { Rows[i].style.display = "none"; }        Button.firstChild.data = expandCaption; } else { for ( var i = 1; i < Rows.length; i++ ) { Rows[i].style.display = Rows[0].style.display; }        Button.firstChild.data = collapseCaption; } } function createCollapseButtons {    var tableIndex = 0; var NavigationBoxes = new Object; var Tables = document.getElementsByTagName( "table" ); for ( var i = 0; i < Tables.length; i++ ) { if ( hasClass( Tables[i], "collapsible" ) ) { /* only add button and increment count if there is a header row to work with */ var HeaderRow = Tables[i].getElementsByTagName( "tr" )[0]; if (!HeaderRow) continue; var Header = HeaderRow.getElementsByTagName( "th" )[0]; if (!Header) continue; NavigationBoxes[ tableIndex ] = Tables[i]; Tables[i].setAttribute( "id", "collapsibleTable" + tableIndex ); var Button    = document.createElement( "span" ); var ButtonLink = document.createElement( "a" ); var ButtonText = document.createTextNode( collapseCaption ); Button.style.styleFloat = "right"; Button.style.cssFloat = "right"; Button.style.fontWeight = "normal"; Button.style.textAlign = "right"; Button.style.width = "6em"; ButtonLink.style.color = Header.style.color; ButtonLink.setAttribute( "id", "collapseButton" + tableIndex ); ButtonLink.setAttribute( "href", "javascript:collapseTable(" + tableIndex + ");" ); ButtonLink.appendChild( ButtonText ); Button.appendChild( document.createTextNode( "[" ) ); Button.appendChild( ButtonLink ); Button.appendChild( document.createTextNode( "]" ) ); Header.insertBefore( Button, Header.childNodes[0] ); tableIndex++; }    }     for ( var i = 0;  i < tableIndex; i++ ) { if ( hasClass( NavigationBoxes[i], "collapsed" ) || ( tableIndex >= autoCollapse && hasClass( NavigationBoxes[i], "autocollapse" ) ) ) { collapseTable( i ); }    } } addOnloadHook( createCollapseButtons );

In .css:

/* default skin for navigation boxes */ table.navbox {           /* navbox container style */ border:1px inset #999; width:100%; margin:auto; clear:both; font-size:88%; text-align:center; padding:1px; } table.navbox + table.navbox { margin-top:-1px;       /* single pixel border between adjacent navboxes (doesn't work for IE6, but that's okay) */ } .navbox-title, .navbox-abovebelow, table.navbox th { text-align:center;     /* title and above/below styles */ padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; } .navbox-group {          /* group style */ white-space:nowrap; text-align:right; font-weight:bold; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; } .navbox, .navbox-subgroup { background:#2a2a2a;    /* Background color */ } .navbox-list { border-color:#2a2a2a;  /* Must match background color */ } .navbox-title, table.navbox th { background:#333;    /* Level 1 color */ } .navbox-abovebelow, .navbox-group, .navbox-subgroup .navbox-title { background:#3f3f3f;    /* Level 2 color */ } .navbox-subgroup .navbox-group, .navbox-subgroup .navbox-abovebelow { background:#484848;    /* Level 3 color */ } .navbox-even { background:#262626;    /* Even row striping */ } .navbox-odd { background:transparent; /* Odd row striping */ } .collapseButton {        /* 'show'/'hide' buttons created dynamically by the        */ float: right;        /* CollapsibleTables javascript in MediaWiki:Common.js */ font-weight: normal; /* are styled here so they can be customised. */    text-align: right; width: auto; } .navbox .collapseButton { /* In navboxes, the show/hide button balances the vde links from */ width: 6em;          /* Template:Tnavbar, so they need to be the same width. */ }


 * Hey man, I've done it. It sounds like a great idea, I'm very interested to see the results! -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 10:36, March 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * One more thing to add to Common.js when you get the chance:

var hasClass = (function {    var reCache = {};    return function (element, className) {        return (reCache[className] ? reCache[className] : (reCache[className] = new RegExp("(?:\\s|^)" + className + "(?:\\s|$)"))).test(element.className);   }; });

--Pyramidhead 01:15, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, I changed some colors and other things in the css code above, so just paste that section over itself. --Pyramidhead 01:30, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Award
When you won a boxset at HMV for answering a question right, what was the question? 24 fan 4 life (1:19pm 30/March/2010)


 * They asked what was written on Tony's mug when he was supposedly "killed" during Day 5! Cubby to my rescue! -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 22:06, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Logo change
Hey, I don't know if you've been following my thread in the forum, but I was wondering if you could upload the transparent version of the logo there over the current one, and (if possible) weigh in on the new changes I proposed. Even if you disagree, the logo should still be changed; the corners can be seen even against the black background on almost all of the monitors I've used. Thanks! --Pyramidhead 00:27, April 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey dude, sorry I've been on holiday the last week that's why I haven't been around much. I'll get around to uploading the new logo in the next few days when I get a chance (unless Blue Rook does first). I'll go and respond to the thread now. -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 20:39, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Source of name
Hey, I got the info on Dana here, from the casting call for 24 season 8. Info on Arlo (original name Jonah Schwartz), Dalia Hassan (Sondra Hashemi), Farhad Hassan (Farhad Hashemi) and Meredith (originally Diane) Reed also included. Cheers! http://www.24spoilers.com/2009/05/05/24-season-8-casting-calls/

99.192.28.44 04:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's awesome, thanks a lot! -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 09:53, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

The PDF in the "12:00pm-1:00pm" mission
(Operation Hero) ...is mistakenly the PDF documenting "4:00pm-5:00pm" and is not a diagram of jurisdiction posts. I even looked into the SWF files themselves. I want to rename and move it but I don't know if I'm allowed. Currently, I've commented it out. moved it to a different section without renaming the file. --Addict 2006 12:18, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Day 3.5
Where and when will it be available for purchase? -- Batkinson2011


 * Haha, it's flattering that you think it'd be worth money! To be honest I had totally forgotten about this. I do want to get around to finishing it because it has a really cool ending that explains about some unsolved stuff from Season 2. I'll try and get it done over the summer and let you know when - or if - I ever do! -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 16:10, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Least favourite episode
What's your least favourite episode of 24? Because it's not on your userpage.--Station7 19:28, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't really know, I've never much thought about it. Because I only started watching when Season 4 was on TV and I caught up with the others afterwards, I am very much stuck with the impression that the first four seasons are incredible, and I don't notice plot holes as well as some. I read an article where it was pointing out some huge flaw with the whole concept of the first season, and I remember wondering why I hadn't notice it before. For the life of me I can't remember what it was.
 * But anyway to get back to your point, I don't really know off the top of my head. It would probably be the episode where Phillip Bauer kills Graem and you realise he's a bad guy, that was a stupid moment for me. Or anything that involved the retarded "Dana and Kevin Wade" storyline from Day 8. How about you? -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 10:36, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm a little bit late like always with series, but good I don't know, because first of all I'm from the Netherlands. I'm currently watching season 4 (I've watched to season 1 & season 3). But I don't know, but my favourite article is absolutely On-screen kills by Jack Bauer. And I'm currently working on here. You can always help, because I like this :) Jack Bauer, will being later also on the place.--Station7 14:46, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

By the way, it doesn't matter that you reveal spoilers about season 6 and season 8. That's why I'm on 24 Wikia. Also SignorSimon, could you doing a favor for me, because I'm trying to make this page here the same as On-screen kills by Jack Bauer--Station7 14:48, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you just copy the table from On screen kills by Jack Bauer and paste it onto your page, then change the information it should be quite easy. <font color="#6678e1">-- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 17:46, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * On which your userpage, I can't find it nowhere, or do you mean my main page on 24 Wikia?--Station7 17:51, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't really understand what you mean. All I said was to copy the table from when you click "Edit" on On screen kills by Jack Bauer, and paste it onto this page and then add in the details from that second page. <font color="#6678e1">-- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 18:29, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks you SignorSimon, it worked as you can see on the page.--Station7 20:15, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Rank insignias
I think it's fine to use svg's of each insignia, since most of the time they're plainly visible in the actual episode. For any that are never visible, I'd be okay with leaving them out. --Pyramidhead 20:34, June 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you not think that would look horribly inconsistent? <font color="#6678e1">-- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 20:52, June 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I only say it because, as far as I can remember, the insignias on the show have been mostly accurate, and I can't think of any that were flat-out wrong or missing, making it a non-issue. If there are any, then omitting them would simply be in keeping with what the show presented. --Pyramidhead 21:13, June 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright I suppose, but once again you shouldn't be inciting changes without asking everyone, this isn't the first time you've done so. <font color="#6678e1">-- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 23:57, June 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe we just got done with almost a month's worth of discussion "inciting" this change. The "Rank" field was always in the template, I just thought this might act as a good visual aide. --Pyramidhead 01:38, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * We can't use the rank insignias because those images aren't from the show. The image policy is very clear about this; technically we need to get rid of that US flag image on the template too. 02:10, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Then I'd say the image policy needs to be revised. I haven't added the copyright info yet, but these are user-made SVG images released into the public domain and suitable for use in any setting. No copyright laws are being violated. --Pyramidhead 02:24, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * You've brought up only 1 of at least 2 aspects of the image policy that are at work here, and both are critical. Let's say we somehow do revise the policy to permit any PD images not from the show. Okay... but how do we draw the line on what's appropriate to permit? If you upload these insignias for obscure military characters, I may choose upload four free-use images of generic woman's hair-style, differing only in color (one red for redheads, one black for brunettes, one blonde, and one white for seniors) and I would attach them to every page for a female character. I may also upload analogous images for male characters, including a 5th one of a bald man without hair (Abdul Mahnesh needs a hair icon, too!). Another user may come along and upload images of a person walking and another of a chalk outline for living and deceased characters respectively, and maybe a question mark for unknowns. Simon may go about tagging every image on the wiki with a serious of copyright-free images which vary depending upon the subjective quality of each image. ... The madness would never end. It would be simply impossible to establish precedent and it would be a colossal waste of time to look at each proposal on a case-by-case basis. 03:18, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * First, I'm semi-working on an overhaul of the military pages - the rank symbols were mainly intended for that, but seemed like a good use in the sidebar as well. Secondly: There's a clear difference between the pictures we're discussing and your examples. Everything I've uploaded is a superior, easier-to-manipulate representation of an image from within the television show, which in turn used imagery of flags and insignias that were in the public domain to begin with. If any exception is to be made, it should be to allow SVG's or other "clean" files of real-world images that were seen on screen, limited to flags, official seals, and military insignias. That would prevent the same standard being applied to OOU pictures of guns, for example. I don't think that's too unreasonable, and it's an easy precedent to stick to. --Pyramidhead 03:32, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why would it be limited to only the things you specifically want to upload? It won't be fair and other users will see it and cite it as precedent for all number of things, all with an equally convincing argument as to why it should be an exception. 05:35, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because the things I want to upload, as I'm sure anybody would agree, are all more than reasonable to include on the wiki with regard to documenting the world of 24 - they're public domain images based on actual, real-life things seen in the show, but with the advantage of being resizable and not restricted to crappy screenshot quality. The counterexamples you gave would rightly be ridiculed if they were ever seriously considered; I can't imagine a situation arising where somebody was uploading that many non-related images for a project that everyone agreed on. I have to say this new image policy, which seems to have come out of nowhere, is needlessly restrictive. Memory Alpha, the wiki we seem to be most closely based on, has none of the problems you've described. Half the pictures on here don't adhere to it, anyway - what's up with the Great Seal of the United States? --Pyramidhead 17:59, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * See here for Proudhug's take on this.
 * When you say "anybody would agree", you have to count me and Proudhug out. When you say "this new image policy", you're wrong, this 24-only image policy for Main namespace content was officially incorporated on 2008 September 25. Finally, when you say "Half the pictures on here don't adhere to it, anyway", the only other image that comes to mind is the single one you mentioned. That US flag needs to go, as I believe I mentioned somewhere else anyway. It just slipped through the cracks. 18:15, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Color me suprised, cause it's news to me - pretty much every picture on these pages is in violation. As are the season icons I made. --Pyramidhead 18:29, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * But Pyramidhead surely you've noticed the policy that's been put in place over a year ago to get rid of actor images not from the show that is slowly being enforced. While yes, all the images haven't been removed as they should, whenever someone uploads a new one it is deleted. <font color="#6678e1">-- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 19:54, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I just want to clarify that I'm not totally against this idea. My beef is with Pyramidhead's habit of proceeding with major violations of precedent and policy before a consensus has been reached.  To be honest, if everyone else were to agree, I don't really have much of a problem with including these types of images, provide they're visible on-screen at some point.  Files like the CTU logo aren't directly from the show but are very helpful for templates and such.  Memory Alpha does use non-screenshot images of rank insignia and things. --proudhug 22:14, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to monopolize your talk page, Simon (lol), but I agree. I think it comes down to common sense when judging whether a file that's outside the image policy's guidelines is fit for use. "Clean" images like logos and flags are so much easier to deal with organizationally and visually that it would be a mistake not to use them where possible. --Pyramidhead 01:59, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't worry - it just means I get notified when the discussion is updated! In any case, certain things don't bother me, such as the US Seal, and the CTU logo. I just don't see how those rank insignias contribute that much to articles. That being said, I don't mind that much if they are included. <font color="#6678e1">-- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 09:13, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Military rank is utterly insignificant to the show. A few soldiers, marines, officers, etc. have appeared and had minor roles, but that's it. A few titles were spoken occasionally, like Colonel, Sergeant, General, etc., but no distinctions were made on the different grades of general and sergeant... there is a high possibility that this will be oou information, especially given specific titles that some of these insignia represent, so before we include it I have to insist that a Sandbox page is created first. I don't want to get into the details because it would be a massive string of "if/then" statements so it's best to evaluate an experiment first. 18:23, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that the specific example of rank insignia doesn't warrant inclusion. As far as I know, there's little to no IU explanation as to what the insignia mean and how they're used.  However if someone were to do some massive research and determine that an IU correlation between certain rank and insignia was established on the show, I'd be willing to listen to their case.  I just don't think the information is there. --proudhug 18:52, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hey there
Hey there SignorSimon, I did edit the page from George Mason, because 2 times the date of his death was seen on his page.--Station7 20:43, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

2 times the same
Why is there 2 times the same birthday of the actors?--Station7 15:23, June 23, 2010 (UTC)