User talk:Thief12/Archive 2

This archive covers discussions from my talk page that occurred from February 22, 2010 to November 18, 2011.

RE:Lost/24 table
OK, I will remove it. Thanks, I really appreciate that.--Station7 14:34, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Terrorist attacks on 24
I added two more attacks to Template:TerroristAttacks8, but I wasn't 100% sure they were "terrorist attacks". I have a hard time understanding the differences between what counts and what doesn't count, so I was hoping you could approve. Also, if Hassan's execution stays then the 'Result' might need to be changed. Thanks. Noahcs 03:35, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, even scholars don't agree on how to define terrorism, so it's understandable that the definition remains spotty here as well. But to have some sort of frame, Merriam Webster dictionary defines terrorism as the "use of terror as a means of coercion." Some of the traits mentioned in some definitions to label something as a terrorist attack is that:


 * 1) it carries an ideological goal.
 * 2) it targets or disregards civilians.
 * The League of Nations in 1930 included the following acts as terrorism:


 * 1) attempts on Heads of State.
 * 2) destruction or attacks on government buildings.
 * 3) acts that endanger general public.
 * 4) manufacture, obtaining, possession, or supplying of weapons to use for the above in any country.
 * With that frame of mind, one can possibly have an idea of what constitutes a terrorist attack and what not. For example, the EMP detonated at McLennen-Forster during Day 4 is not included because it was just a private company's attempt to cover their asses for something they did wrong, plus it wasn't targeting civilians per se. Sure, it sparked a riot, a chopper crashed, and some government property might've been damaged, but it wasn't the purpose of the attack. On the other hand, the EMP attack on CTU New York during Day 8 (and other attacks on CTU for that matter) is included because it targeted a government building and because its purpose was to hinder their efforts on stopping other terrorist attacks. Note that the McLennen-Forster EMP is still mentioned in the notes on the bottom of the page. Another instances, attempts (successful or not) on Heads of State (like the attempts on David Palmer, Wayne Palmer, Yuri Suvarov, and now Omar Hassan) are included, but attempts on single individuals (like Victor Aruz earlier this season) aren't.


 * That said, I'm glad you brought up the subject because, like you noticed, it is indeed somewhat of a blurry line and people can refer to this answer for clarification. Keep up the good work, man. Thief12 02:14, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

changes to the Allison Taylor page
ok ill leave it alone for now and wait till the next episode or two and see if the situation gets more clear, i still think she's an antagonist but i dont wanna start an edit war, and it appears for now im in the minority, but Mark Bledsoe should definetly be an antagonist and probably Logan and Pillar. User:Delta Paradox
 * Thanks for understanding. Surely none of us is here to outsmart the other but to improve this wiki. I think the smartest move right now is to sit back and see how everything plays out. Besides, it is only a category classification and not really a major edit in the article. Thief12 20:25, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Fan
It's awesome to read how you became a fan of 24. Do you wanna know my story?--Station7 14:58, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, go ahead. Thief12 19:24, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I was actually done with Lost. I had seen season 1 to season 6, and I did want it to know what 24 was. So, I buyed season 1, that blowed my head off. then I watched season 3, what still is my favorite season. Then I did get a few weeks ago season 2 from my teacher, but I have at my home. Great season. Now I'm watching season 5. I have already season 6 ready after my vacation. Tne it's time for Redemption and then season 7. I should wait a long time until season 8 comes out in the Netherlands. I'm 17.--Station7 20:27, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's great. If anything, I would encourage you to watch the seasons you haven't seen in order. I'm always very adamant about this for most shows, and this one in particular I think warrants it. But it's cool that you're looking forward to seeing it all. Thief12 02:44, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Category sorts
If possible, add the sorts to the categories so they are alphabetized properly. The Defaultsort is optional, it replaces the need for each category to be sorted. So it could be either: 1) all categories have the same sort, or 2) none of them are individually sorted and Defaultsort is used. 01:55, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, now I got what you're saying. I thought you were referring to the Defaultsort, but you're taking about adding the lastname/name at the end of the category. I'll get into it. Thief12 01:58, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ultimate Project
Great work on getting started with the Ultimate Project, your stuff looks great and you're the only one whose really got going with it so nice work for that! This isn't in any way a criticism, I just wanted to point something out. Firstly, with articles like Jack Bauer on Day 5, we split each episode up via subheadings. I hope you don't think I'm being demeaning by telling you this, just wanted to make sure you know. Secondly, on pages like Martha Logan, for whom it isn't worth creating a separate "on Day" article, could you cite what episode she does everything in using the cite template? Just write   or whatever for the episode you get the info from. That way it's loads easier to know what episode each character does stuff in.

Once again, I hope you don't think I'm criticising your edits, because they look great and I'm really pleased you've made such a great start with the project! -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 17:00, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. Any comment or suggestion is welcome. I didn't really add any sub-heading to the Jack Bauer on Day 5 article because, so far, I've only seen the first episode. As soon as I see the second one, I'll be sure to organize the info that's already there, expand it, and add the subheadings. BTW, I had in my mind to check on the edits I made last night on that page because I was literally dozing off on the computer, LOL. About the cite thing, that's great. I had forgotten about that, so I'll be sure to add it to any article that needs it from now on. Anyway, thanks for the comments. Thief12 19:20, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * One question about the cite thingy... let's say that there are three paragraphs on Martha Logan's article about things that happened on the first episode. Should I put the template at the end of the last paragraph, or at the end of every paragraph related to that episode? Thief12 19:48, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I would just put it at the end of the last paragraph, because it'll be obvious that everything comes from before, but to be honest I think that's one of the things that can be up to the editor. For example, you might add information that the audience learns later in the season but which chronologically occurred earlier. In that episode, the citation for the later episode might come before an earlier episode, but not have enough info to warrant its own paragraph, so it could be a sentence e.g.


 * "Martha Logan was speaking to David Palmer just before the events of Day 5 . When she learnt of his death, Martha was distraught  ."


 * Obviously I made that information and episode references up, but you see my point. In that instance, I would put the citation for the earlier episode ASAP to establish that it is, in fact, from a different episode. Does that make sense? -- SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 22:29, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure it does. Thanks for the tip. Thief12 22:59, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Killed by Jack Bauer
I have a question: What is your favorite on-screen kill by Jack Bauer?--Station7 14:40, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, with 266 to choose from, that's definitely a tough question. There are some that have certain emotional baggage, others are "WTF!?" (Marshall Goren), while others are simply kick-ass kills. On the first category, I would put:


 * Victor and Andre Drazen
 * Nina Myers
 * Conrad Haas
 * Christopher Henderson
 * Dana Walsh
 * Pavel Tokarev


 * On the Kick-Ass Kills category, I would have:


 * Raymond O'Hara, Davis, and Trask
 * The fight with the last Peter Kingsley thug at the stadium.
 * Spector, stabbed in the back of the neck.
 * A guy that Jack bit off his jugular in Season 6.
 * The fight with Abu Fayed
 * Youssou Dubaku in Redemption.
 * Elemu, with Jack sliding through the floor to shoot him on time.
 * The fight with Quinn.
 * Axing the spotter in the first episode of Season 8.
 * Lugo Elson stabbed in the neck was pretty cool.
 * The way he shot Mark Bledsoe.


 * Curtis Manning and Ryan Chappelle are in a whole other category. It's too hard to pick just one. Thief12 23:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

I understand that. I haven't seen not all the deaths except season 7 and 24: Redemption, but I saw it here on 24 Wiki and that's pretty cool/awesome. It's not an easy question. There's a lot of differences between those kills.--Station7 10:30, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Could you help me?
On saturday, I want to buy or Lost Season 6, or 24 season 7. Since I think, you saw them both, which one should I buy? I want to hear your meaning. Which one is the best? If I buy season 7, then I only need season 2, season 3 (copy DVD, got from friend), season 8 and 24: Redemption. If I buy season 6, I got everything from Lost. I'm not 100% sure, but I just want to hear you opinion, because it's important to me.--Station7 15:54, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's all subjective but, the last season of Lost was, to me, a disappointing mess. But, if you've stuck to it so far, you might want the closure of seeing it all sooner or later. On the other hand, 24 season 7 was a very pleasant surprise. The fact that the show was sidelined for a whole year seemingly gave the writers the opportunity to work, rework, and polish their ideas and, IMO, it feels a whole more tighter and focused than other seasons. The return of Tony didn't hurt it for me either, since he's my favorite character. So, in terms of quality, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend 24 S7. But, you have to weight on the other hand how much you want to complete your Lost collection and how much you want to finally see the expected end of the show. It's up to you. Thief12 02:36, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not mentioning, but I have both. my mother both buyed them, but I paid my mother back. I got Lost from my mother and 24 to, but I paid 24 back ;).--Station7 21:58, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Infoboxes
I see that there is a little problem on the Shield Wiki. You should ask this user to help with the infoboxes. He also fixed them on Lostpedia.--Station7 21:58, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Margaret Easley
I want to put Margaret Easley in the Lost and 24 sub-page, but I'm not sure if you agree with me. She was a voice-actor in Lost: Via Domus. Although it's non-canon, she voiced Juliet Burke. She played a Presidential aide in season 3 of 24. So what do you think of this? --Station7 18:00, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Starkwood compound location
Hey there, am I right in thinking that you are responsible for the Background information and notes on the Starkwood page about the real-life shooting location of the compound? If so that's great information, may I ask where you got it from? Did you read it or study the show to work it out? The only reason I ask is because I'm currently working on shooting locations on 24 (work in progress here) and dunno if ur interested in that too? Thanks for listening! --Acer4666 16:03, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I don't remember where I got that from. Maybe the 24 official page, or somewhere else. Either way, I'll be checking your project. Thief12 22:55, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Heys
It's awesome that you cited and cleaned up the Ontario Airport article. It has taken on a very professional-looking finish now! Also, I don't want to come of like I was "stealing your thunder" with the Komar image. This is referring to the fact I just uploaded over your image with a different file I had been sitting on for quite awhile, and had just never gotten around to it until you reminded me today. Your file remains inside the image history, however, so I just renamed the thing to reflect the episode. If you think it's a better image we can leave it, otherwise, we can sort out how best to settle it another way too if you prefer. 01:51, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, don't worry. Your picture is obviously way better than the one I uploaded. I was just surprised that blurry and crappy picture of Komar lasted there so long, and I had it in the back of my mind for awhile to change it as well. Now that I'm sorta returning from a "sabbatical", it was one of the first things I wanted to do. Glad you had a better picture actually. Thief12 01:56, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Bits n Bobs
Hey Thief! It's great that ur still around on the site even if you don't have time for major editing. I hope you'll continue your work on the season 5 villains page - it's great already and recently we've dug up some possible actor names for the airport terrorists, there's a bit of a list here. Hopefully you can help match up names to faces!

One other thing I was going to ask - we've recently revised the canon rules to allow subtitles and closed captioning as a source for characters names, and Blue Rook pointed me in the direction of Talk:Day_7:_11:00pm-12:00am. Just when you had the name "Davenport" down for this dude, we were wondering if you could confirm that was from the subtitles? Blue Rook can't see it on his Region 1 set.

Anyways, thanks for listening!--Acer4666 00:33, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been quite busy lately with "real life", but I usually try to sneak in one or two edits per day to keep myself "in shape" ;-) I've also had my rewatch of Season 5 on "hold", which is why I haven't continued the work on the Season 5 villains page. But I plan to continue in the near future. I'll keep an eye on that list of airport terrorists.


 * As for that "Davenport" guy, yes, that was from the subtitles on Hulu.com. You can check out if that specific episode is available on the page, if you want to verify it. Let me know! Thanks for the nudge. Take care. Thief12 04:25, June 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah awesome! Of course it's obvious it couldn't of been from the dvd subtitles, as the dvd wasn't out when you made that post! I think the canon policy has only changed to include dvd subtitles though, so I guess he'll remain as an unnamed guy. I guess places like hulu aren't "official" sources of information - but I'm collecting such "unofficial" names on that userpage I linked to in my first post, just in case anything official comes along to verify them.--Acer4666 11:45, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Fairuse
! 23:15, June 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * My apologies again, but I noticed that the "Upload" window that pops up when I press "Add Photo" won't put the "Fairuse" tag, even when I choose it from the pull-down menu. That's why you had to fix so many pictures I've uploaded recently. Thief12 02:23, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Pagemove rights
I've nominated you over at Wiki 24:Pagemove/Nominations for page move or "renaming" rights, just drop a confirmation if you're interested. You also won't have to worry about "copy & paste redirects" anymore, which can be a mess to clean up if there was a lot of page history cut up. (You performed one of those for Cal's Bikes but it's such a new page there is no real need for a history merge, don't worry I've done it before too.) Just promise to read through the pagemove rules :) 15:28, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Dead-On II
This, the 19th Dead-On Award, is hereby given to Thief12 for outstanding contributions to Wiki 24. Thank you for your ongoing Season 5 work, the breadth and volume of which has been simply groundbreaking, and the quality of which is impossible to encapsulate in brief! 04:13, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Damn, man! You could've waited for me to finish working with Season 5 ;-) No, seriously, thanks. Just trying to do good work here. Thief12 13:02, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Novels
Hey Thief! I wonder whether you are in possession of those declassified novels? If not, you can leave your mail address here and I can send several of them to you. Don't you think those italics editing is a bit boring, ha? I've sent those to Acer back in July, and since you are an excellent and veteran editor and have a good command of english, maybe you guys can work together to expand the novel section? Anyway, I'm looking forward to your reply. --William 17:13, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've never really ventured into the Expanded Universe, but I certainly wouldn't mind to. If you want to send them, I would be grateful. Let me know your e-mail so I can send you my address. And thanks for the offer! Thief12 17:42, September 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's wangyfb@163.com. It's 2:00 a.m. here so I' ll reply to you tomorrow.

RE: Jenn Hansen
You're welcome :) Did you had it busy, since you forgot it? --Station7 15:38, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Jibraan Al-Zarian
Where does that info comes from? He is listed as Rafique on IMDB. I'm confused. Please explain! This is freaking cool. --Station7 20:23, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Can you also explain whichg episode please! I want to freaking know it ;) --Station7 20:25, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I clarified the note, but what I meant was that the actor (Omid Abtahi) who played Jibraan on 24 played another character (Raqim) on the show Homeland who also happened to be connected to Bryden University. Considering that both shows were helmed by Howard Gordon, it's just one of those small details that screenwriters and directors like to put in to make fans like us go "Ooh, that was cool". Thief12 21:43, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but why does the article says that Jibraan attended that university, while it was another character. I'm confused! --Station7 22:19, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * It was mentioned on 24 that Jibraan was a student at Bryden University. Thief12 22:28, November 18, 2011 (UTC)