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:: Absolutely. I very much was hoping it was a live chat thing like Vent or a Skype sort of thing but a text chat is very neat too. {{User:Blue Rook/Sig}} 00:44, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
:: Absolutely. I very much was hoping it was a live chat thing like Vent or a Skype sort of thing but a text chat is very neat too. {{User:Blue Rook/Sig}} 00:44, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
== Bar between title and article that's now gone ==
Hey, just about that forum topic about the bar where we used to have icons and it's now gone - according to the comments [ here], apparently putting <nowiki> .WikiaPageHeader { border-bottom: 1px solid #D9D9D9; margin-bottom: 5px; } </nowiki> into the mediawiki:wikia.css page, it puts a bar back. I don't know if that would be an idea to see if the icons will go back to where they were? I dunno if that makes sense to you as something to do to the mediawiki files, anyway thought I'd mention it!--[[User:Acer4666|Acer4666]] 17:02, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

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Should the images on the pages from Charters (Day 7) and Turner not being in the infobox?--Station7 09:57, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

In this case, it isn't appropriate because Larry Moss completely dominates the image. If the guys were more visible, it would make sense like with Adam (Forbes bodyguard) and Jason (Day 4), but here it is very different because it would be misleading. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 10:34, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
Very easy to understand of course :) --Station7 21:57, February 3, 2011 (UTC)


Hey, I thought I'd make a topic to post minor questions under. First one - when I move misspelled articles do I have to make a note in the articles for deletion page, or will you pick up the redirects if I just leave an afd tag on them? Is the afd page just for potentially controversial deletions?--Acer4666 18:16, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

If you'd like the old misspelling to be deleted, you can choose to surpass the AFD article page, and type something like "delete old RD" somewhere in the move summary as a signal for me to toss it. The AFD discussions are intended for content pages, like you mentioned, so redirects are generally non-controversial. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 04:19, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, you know that category change we did a while back, splitting mentioned characters into ones for the different days - I presume that came out of a desire to see just the mentioned characters for a specific day in a big list? Cos sometimes I fancy seeing like just day 1 locations or that sort of thing, but then again it's also good to be able to see all 24 locations in a big list - so I think splitting down the locations category into days is a bad idea. Maybe it's the fault of wikia rather than our organisation system, maybe there should be a way to view everything with 'locations' AND 'day 1' categories together, without messing on with categories. Can u do this? The other alternative is having 'day 1', 'locations', 'day 1 locations', etc on every article which would be a big mess of the category section! Hm I'm not really sure why I'm posting this, it's not really a question or anything, just thoughts from my head. Also I think maybe I don't like the location category having 'africa' next to '12199 Kipling Avenue' next to 'University of Belgrade' if you know what I mean? Anyways, don't know if you have any thoughts on this, thought I'd share my ponderings!--Acer4666 00:05, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hm... continents and street addresses all in one place does actually seem... inadequately planned. Now you have me thinking. I've always hated that "Locations" included places that were only mentioned, but, there really is no way around it. Also, it's a really bad idea to try to make "Mentioned locations" or "Day 1 mentioned locations" etc. The only alternative to the current system that comes to mind is this: we use "Locations" strictly as a parent category for other categories. Then, we restrict our place articles to only one of the following (some of which already exist): "Continents", "Countries", "Cities", "Neighborhoods", "Street addresses", "Schools", and "Building names". In the end, those 5 categs would be placed inside Locations, which would have no articles itself (exactly like "Mentioned characters" was updated to only have sub-categories). Does this make sense/sound good to you? Blue Rook  talk  contribs 13:54, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
Ah man, what the hell? I left a big message in reply to this and now it's gone! What I said was that your idea sounded good, if we have a think about the categories - for one thing, if we have a 'schools' subcategory, then why not prisons & hospitals etc., and that gets into organisation/location confusion that I still don't have clear in my own head yet!
The other thing was whether it was frowned upon to have, like we do for weapons and category:weapons, an article called locations where we can organise them how we choose, with a note at the top saying 'this is a list by season, for the automatic alphabetical list go here' sort of thing?
Also I thought that mentioned locations weren't so bad some of the time, and they got interesting if they were mentioned more than once cos it's good to see how the mentions of real life places link together. Dunno if you're seen some of the articles for roads I've made, but I've only made them for roads that pop up more than once. But I guess we've started to cover mentioned location notability over at Macys' plaza talk page.
Hopefully this message will stay this time!!--Acer4666 00:03, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't support an article like that for the locations, because categories in these cases would really do the work automatically for us.
Also, if you prefer not to save your posts to a text file before clicking Publish, you could alternatively just Copy them to your clipboard before Publishing. This way, if the save fails, you at least have it on your clipboard to simply reload and paste. This method doesn't protect you against browser/computer crashes, however, whereas saving to a word processor actually does. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 09:17, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I was just checking whether I was moving pages right - it's just if you search for something like 'Palmer Campaign Hotel' in the search box, the autofill only recognises 'Palmer's Hotel', the old title which is only a redirect. Is this a glitch in wikia or have I moved it wrongly?--Acer4666 00:01, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

You didn't do anything wrong. It's most likely just the wiki being slow to update the Autofill feature, or something. Not precisely on this topic, but related, is the fact that this amazing article isn't linked much. I'll help when I see opportunities, but let's get the links out there! Blue Rook  talk  contribs 05:53, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
Ah brilliant. Yeah I was about to sit down last night and link it all but I thought I'd check the redirects were all ok before doing it - didn't want to go round changing a load of links from 'campaign hotel' to 'palmer's hotel' or anything!--Acer4666 10:53, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hey man, just to let you know I'm away all of next week if you think I've disappeared. Let me know if any major stuff happens! Also, you never told me about this page when I was categorising those images - it looks like I've got my work cut out for when I return haha! Hope you have a good week on the wiki --Acer4666 23:51, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oh and have a good week generally for that matter haha - realised it sounded like I didn't wna include that --Acer4666 23:53, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
I didn't think of mentioning those to you, but yes, those do eventually need exactly your kind of expertise at some point... and there are several more handfuls that need to be verified too, but we just don't know which ones yet, because they are categorized with Character Images categs etc. and therefore don't appear inside the Uncategorized Files special. As we find more of those, we should categorize them or at least label them with that pna for image verification.
Hope you enjoy the vacation Acer! I'll try to get the highlights for you when you come back, about what goes on over here. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 06:22, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
Another quick q: do all these want episode image categories too?--Acer4666 22:46, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
OH hell no, don't give that another thought it would serve no purpose. Those are just for the 1x-per-annum cameo on the Main Page. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 03:44, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Day 1 is full of awesome dialogue man ;) --Acer4666 07:33, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Referring to the Quotes templates? Generally those are good choices, I'm just happy they are categorized now. Thank for taking the time finishing that with me. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 19:13, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
No probs, it was good reading through them all! I just need to go through jan, feb, april and december to satisfy myself that there are no more duplicates - atm I'm on a super slow computer so will do it later. It's satisfying clearing out those special pages!--Acer4666 19:33, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Haha I don't think I'm ever gonna work out when are the times you're most active on this wiki. Is it not 4 in the morning over where you are? You're a regular Jack Bauer!--Acer4666 09:17, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

As I type it's 5:40am here, heh. Yes it's definitely true I don't have a schedule, so it generally boils down to whatever leftover time I get between work, the girlfriend, the occasional shindig, and family. For example this weekend I was in Philly with a good friend from college... but even that couldn't keep me away from here as you saw. If there's a computer and a handful of minutes I'll check in! Blue Rook  talk  contribs 09:47, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Welcome

Hi, thank you for the quasi-welcome. Do you or anyone else mind if I fix up some typos using AutoWikiBrowser? --Cook Me Plox

I'm sure you're accustomed to the "standard boilerplate" welcomes :) But it is sincere nevertheless. And, of course, your spell checking work is invaluable. Many mistakes persist on our articles, so thanks very much for fixing those! But if you plan on going on another typo killing spree, would you consider registering another account so it can be flagged as a Bot, and then doing the corrections with that account? It isn't necessary, technically, but it would help our Recent Changes patrollers who choose to not show Bot edits. It might just take a few hours or a day to get the flag approved. Either way, I appreciate the work, and I hope you come back to do more. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 09:17, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
Certainly, please flag CookBot. Thanks. --Cook Me Plox 09:20, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
Also, regarding Wayne Palmer, is the newspaper story not considered canon, or is there some confusion about if "the death of his predecessor" refers to Wayne or someone else (Keeler?) --Cook Me Plox 09:25, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
I just sent the request to Wikia for the flag (bureaucrats here don't have that ability [yet?], for some reason).
The Wayne Palmer demise article you mention is still actually an open discussion. It's one of the most interesting things we haven't had a full discussion about. The "predecessor" does refer to Wayne. But the open debate is whether we are going to include it as canon because those words themselves weren't visible on-screen. I believe we should include it, because it was specifically created for the show, and the paper is visible on the screen even though you can't read everything. What are your thoughts. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 09:35, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, I said something on the talk page. --Cook Me Plox 10:44, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

David Kilde

I have send David Kilde an e-mail and asked if he played either Adam or Jason. Well, I hope he reacts ;) --Station7 21:19, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

You don't need to send emails to the performers unless it's a matter of contention among the community. Did you send because you don't think it is Kilde portraying that character? Blue Rook  talk  contribs 22:20, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
No, because I want to know who he played and maybe we can figure out because of that who the other actor was.--Station7 23:22, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
Haha that is actually a great idea, I would never have thought of it. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 00:32, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Well, it looks like Brett DeLuca, who plays either Charters (Day 7) or Turner has another role in season 7, watch this video: 21:39, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

That first one seems to be his appearance in 6a-7am. That probably was not "another" role in that episode: it's likely that it was his only role in that episode. I'm wrong if he reappears as an FBI agent within that hour but my notes say he was FBI in 6pm-7pm and 9-10pm only. If you can check the 6am episode before I do, we can be sure. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 22:36, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
Looks like I was right ;) --Station7 15:47, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
The good part is: neither of us was wrong! Blue Rook  talk  contribs 04:35, March 24, 2011 (UTC)


Do you want to look at User:Station7/Fun page? It's a fun page, well I hope think it's funny ;) --Station7 20:16, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

 :) Blue Rook  talk  contribs 16:17, March 9, 2011 (UTC)


I'm sure I didn't made that changes at Day 7: 7:00am-8:00am. i'm 100% sure of that. how could it be that the computer says that? Or did you change it? Otherwise I don't understand it.--Station7 15:43, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Not sure if I understand what you are saying. What I do know for sure is that I reverted that change you made, but also made other changes, during the same edit. Maybe that is the source of the confusion. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 16:17, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, that's all I did want to know :) --Station7 16:24, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

News Report

Haha I'm fairly sure that is what the news reporter says! You gotta listen closely, but it's clear she's just waffling on. It sounds like she says something like 'Next week, I'm going to prison to visit a pervert who has 5 sons' and the sound mixer has faded it in and out at choice words for a laugh! I'm defs gonna pay more attention to news reports in 24 in the future!--Acer4666 22:59, March 9, 2011 (UTC)


Why did you remove what I found on IMDB? Do you not trust IMDB? --Station7 10:17, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

IMDB is the source for their presence on the Wanted characters page. But IMDB has nothing to do with the reason why those two actors are there. If you look at Dyniewicz it says "uncredited appearance??" and on LeClair it says "appearance must be cited". This means they have to be specifically discovered in their respective episode, confirmed with time-stamps or DVD play times—before anyone can go ahead and create an article with their name and before they can be added to the "Uncredited" heading. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 14:31, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Joseph Hodges

Yes this is the real Joseph Hodges. I was trying to remove the picture of me with the beard, just my ego, wasn't having a good year that season. No problem if you need to keep it. Thanks Joseph

Not a problem at all! I'm glad you've found this project, and you can see the image you uploaded has been made the main image of the article about your 24 work. There was some difficulty initially because it wasn't clear if that was a free-license image or not, but since you're the owner of the image I figured you were happy with it being in the public domain. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 05:16, March 19, 2011 (UTC)


How can you hide template likes Template:Appearances1 and Template:Appearances2 etc? I would like to know that. --Station7 13:59, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

They aren't hidden, just unused. They were completely replaced with the new template. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 05:16, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
Which template?--Station7 19:24, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
Hey station7, they were replaced by template:Appearances. I showed you how to auto-hide that last night, here. Is that what you are trying to do, make it so it is hidden automatically when the page loads?--Acer4666 20:43, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Quick Favour

Bob McGovern

Hey, you said that you were good with faces and matching people up - I was wondering if you cast your eye over this before I went ahead with it haha! I got a pretty good shot of Alan Morgan's stunt double here. Now according to imdb, there were a few stunt performers for that episode, and unless it's Jeff Cadiente I would place this guy as Bob McGovern [1]. Dunno what you think? Also do you know who has added all these stunt performers to different 24 episodes on imdb - if it is in the slightest bit accurate, what a gold mine!--Acer4666 23:12, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion it's 70% chance that man is McGovern, using only the pic you've uploaded. If it helps, I'm pretty sure it's definitely not Cadiente at all. Apologies if it wasn't the certitude you're looking for, but I may have to check the episode tomorrow for more frames of this fellow's face to get a better judgment. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 23:33, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
Ah no worries, was just seeing what ur thoughts were. The pic here [2] looks more like the shot of Alan's double (lines around the mouth etc) - but the fact McGovern has a twin brother makes it infuriating! Which is which?--Acer4666 23:39, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Unnamed goons of Kalil Hasan

Hey, I just wanted your view on a judgement call - you know the two goons that beat up Andrew Paige in the 3rd episode of season 4? Watching the scene, I notice that as Kalil leaves one of them says "talk!" while the other speaks arabic to Kalil. I guess that technically that qualifies them for entries in the unnamed terrorists page - but I'm always reluctant to include qualifiers for the sake of it, as we don't want the article to be massive. But I guess those two were quite notable and key to the scene, and I managed to identify one of the actors so maybe entries wouldn't be so bad - then again, I don't know if their "spoken lines of dialogue" (1 word for one, different language for the other) warrants them for inclusion definitively.--Acer4666 16:56, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, it's tough. According to the Inclusion policy we finally codified, the lines need to be in English and arguably significant/prominent. If what you're reporting is accurate, only the guy (Thom Williams I think) who says "Talk!" is eligible, and after watching the scene I'd consider this to be a real "threshold" character because it's easy to miss. On one hand as an argument for making an entry for Thom Williams's terrorist: the crewcut separatist had 1 word too ("Bierko!")... but the camera was right on him and the line had major significance. On the other hand as an argument against an entry: the agent played by Michael Placencia says something like "Yes, sir" to Jack when he walks away, but I personally held back from making the unnamed CTU entry—even though I was so happy to have found the actor—because to say the line is utterly insignificant is a gross understatement.
If we make one for this Thom Williams terrorist, then the Michael Placencia CTU agent gets an entry too... but so can everyone else, which is a worrisome prospect. Perhaps to keep this on a tight leash, we consider lowering the "significance of the spoken line" threshold for creating unnamed character entries if the actor can be positively identified. What do you think? Blue Rook  talk  contribs 17:18, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, I don't mind just keeping these guys forbidden. The information on who plays them is always eligible for the actor pages and (as is probably usually the case for them) performers with multiple roles. I think having whether or not the actor can be identified might lead to some grey areas and stuff, although it is a good criteria, something about it doesn't quite work for me. I would be fine either way, and I hadn't properly read the inclusion policy (silly me) so it's cleared up for me!--Acer4666 17:31, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
They'll be left out then. It's the safer option too. If we drop the inclusion criteria too low, problems are likely... nobody wants those pages getting flooded with stuff like "Half-visible guy near taxi cab overheard on sidewalk talking unintelligibly into cellphone". :) Blue Rook  talk  contribs 17:36, April 1, 2011 (UTC)


This could be interesting for you. :) Tom 13:15, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Possibly new unnamed terrorist

I noticed the convo you had earlier with Acer about the 2 thugs in S4, I think I may have found a similar case, though I wanted to hear what you had to say about it.

I didn't want to upload a pic yet, but in 3x11, around 11:35, one of Amador's men is transferring funds through a PC and Amador asks him if everything's set, and the guy gives off a gruff "Yeah". Is this enough, because like Gaines' thug and the crewcut terrorist, the camera focuses on him for a good amount of time. Do you think he's elligible? --ASHPD24 17:31, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

I'll check it out very soon (I'd do it now but I'm itemizing my f*** taxes before Friday and it's a process). If it's a go, do you want you or me to upload image? Blue Rook  talk  contribs 00:01, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
Sure, you always take better photos and he's real easy to get since he gets enough screen time. --ASHPD24 00:05, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry it took so long, you eventually beat me to it. I linked the guy in a few spots earlier (and one more just now), and when I get a chance, I'll take an alternative image (maybe brighter or cropping) if I'm able to like you mentioned. Nice catch with this guy. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 14:47, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Charters and Turner

Hey, I just noticed the "Charters and Turner" situation that there is - I couldn't seem to find any discussion on it, and just wondered what the rationale was for having an unnamed entry for one of them, in addition to the two named articles? In other cases like this, if one of the character performs a certain action, it goes on both the pages, I know in this case one of them did much more than the other, but I don't see why the same rule can't apply (the only problem to me would be the "lastappeared" field on the sidebar, and I don't see why there couldn't be a this episodeor this episode).
Also, about the inclusion of people on the unnamed pages - I guess the inlcusion criteria is something of a retrospective thing, as ASHPD24 points out my "Gaines's thug" guy had a very insignificant off-screen line, but I included of him because he recurred so much. But it seems other entries might not fit the retroactive criteria?
Good luck with the tax returns!--Acer4666 10:53, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
In case you can't check, that hotel agent I linked just said "yes sir", and the camera then followed him as a way to link between Jack and Palmer in one shot - that's about his entire role--Acer4666 10:55, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

The intention with that inclusion criteria was not to go back and start eliminating characters we've already established, so if they're around now, there's no cause to remove them. Also that hotel agent, although he does sound very minor, was one of Proudhug's additions so I'm pretty sure he was noticeable enough to warrant being added.

Regarding Charters and Turner, what was the other example(s) that were different? If I'm understanding this correctly, it is set up this way because we had a credited actor situation but a pair of unclear names as well — so we can't rightfully link DeLuca to one of the names arbitrarily, nor can we ignore one other names. The character played by DeLuca definitely did those actions on the unnamed page, whereas it would be misleading to attribute those actions to both named characters at the same time. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 13:34, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I won't remove any names from the list, but just cos Proudhug added him doesn't make him more notable than if it was added by an anonymous contributor.
I don't think the Charters and Turner situation is different to the Adam (Forbes bodyguard) and Jason (Day 4) situation - we're listing actions that David Kilde definitely did (shooting Marianne) to both their pages. Whether or not he was credited, I don't think alters the situation - on the credits list for the episode, we just say "Brett Deluca as Charters or Turner (as FBI agent)" as we have done for similar situations. I think it's strange to have 3 entries on the wiki for 2 characters, and also to list someone as "unnamed" when they definitely have one of two names.--Acer4666 13:48, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
Proudhug was the guy who started all the unnamed character pages. :)
Now looking at the Charters/Turner business your way is making a bit more sense. But what will we do about linking the DeLuca character in the episode guides? And by that I mean specifically those instances when the FBI agent played by DeLuca is definitely being described, and not the ambiguous scene where both men are named by Larry. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 01:57, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
But there is a difference between these two and Adam/Jason. Those two clowns always appeared in the same episode, but DeLuca/Unknown seem to only appear together in 1 episode. Linking them in guides and stuff will be really difficult. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 03:19, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I did realise that after I made the above post - the solution would be to link them by saying "an FBI agent (either Charters or Turner) then walked down the corridor...". I suppose it's a toss up between the clumsiness of that, or the clumsiness of spreading the info across 3 pages? I personally would go for putting the info on the two pages, dunno what anyone else thinks. If you look at Marianne Taylor's page, she is listed as being shot by Adam or Jason, which is kind of a similar thing - and in her Day 4 section she is "killed by one of Forbes thugs", with no link, but ideally we would have (Adam or Jason) in brackets after that.--Acer4666 09:28, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
The issue was less prominent with Adam/Jason but at this point I agree they should get similar treatment. I can start the process soon, the hard part is trying to remember all the places where the unnamed guy is linked and replacing it with something like "an FBI agent (Charters or Turner)...". Blue Rook  talk  contribs 15:32, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
I think I've got all the links, and I've updated the Charters (Day 7) and Turner pages to contain the info from the unnamed non-CTU government agents page, all that's left is to remove the entry from the unnamed page, if you're happy with everything?--Acer4666 23:29, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Argh the appearances templates. I knew there were things that had kept me from changing this earlier, unlike Adam/Jason. How should we do those? The only real options that appear to me are: leave the templates empty of the unknown episodes, or use notes; I prefer the latter. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 03:27, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

I've done notes on them - whaddaya think? Feel free to re-jiggle the wording or what have you--Acer4666 09:40, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
Awww--I've just realised what else this change entails: re-numbering the rest of the FBI agents on the unnamed page, and updating all of their links. urggghghghgh--Acer4666 10:28, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
Actually that part should be pretty easy, you'll see what I mean when I get to it. Basically just re-labeling the other dude, who has only 1 appearance, so it's not a ton of work. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 18:05, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
No need, I've done it all for you. --ASHPD24 20:25, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
I was maybe gonna suggest giving them more descriptive names than a list of numbers, in case a similar thing happens, (and also to be consistent with Unnamed Day 7 characters), but I suppose if it's done now we can leave it--Acer4666 20:28, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

No, I would just rename Burt Bulos agent as #2, and change merely his stuff. I have no idea what you did but I will betcha a buck that there are a good number of broken links out there now. I think we should revert those and just go with the Bulos agent change. Always, always change the bare minimum of entries. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 20:56, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

I had a look everywhere after the changes were made I could think of and couldn't find any broken ones (other than on Unnamed Day 7 characters), so maybe on userspace or talk pages, I dunno. But I'm pretty lost by now, so don't really know what to do!--Acer4666 21:03, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
Actor pages. More will turn up as well. I guess it's too late— so we'll stick with the new numbering. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 21:06, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
All the actors are redlinks--Acer4666 21:06, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
Oh heh, well then, easier for us! Blue Rook  talk  contribs 21:11, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
I try to help a little and you still have such contempt for me that you think I wouldn't go back and change all of the links? To be honest, I'm a little insulted. --ASHPD24 21:14, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
I never have contempt for editors, even vandals (...well, except maybe one), and I'm sorry you read it that way. I've looked back at what I wrote to make sure, and it revolves around the re-numbering, not you personally. I'm strapped for time so I'm not being my usual verbose self — I would venture a guess that my succinctness is being mistaken for brusqueness? So again, apologies if I came off sour. And for what it's worth, to reply to the other talk page response you made, I don't recall mistakes people make unless they repetitively make them; nothing about you comes to mind at all & this discussion was simply about this particular issue. You have to remember, however, that I myself have forgotten to change dozens of altered unnamed entry links in the past, and I've mentioned this about myself at various points too. So the feeling you felt that I projected onto you goes right back to myself immediately. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 22:20, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
I myself apoligize for coming off as paranoid, and I've already told Acer I have no hard feelings against him. I just thought you didn't think that I finished the work. In fact he couldn't tell if I was being smug or sincere with my comment about having done the work. I've read some articles on my condition, and they say most people with it can't diffrentiate if we're being rude or not, so I hope there's no hard feelings about it. --ASHPD24 22:56, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
Alrighty very good. This community and its members, I'm always proud that we solve things like this in a civilized and satisfactory way. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 05:59, April 16, 2011 (UTC)


Thank you for new welcome i am back. i have done some "overhaul and expand" on the kim bauer on season 2 article, might i earn a barnstar if i finish> i have just done what i can remembre from the program but i cud watch the dvd to make sure i get everythin right :)--New Name 11:11, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha, you don't get a barnstar for that :) --Station7 17:59, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Heya New Name I'm glad you found some work that needed your attention. There are a few things to keep in mind; first remember to make as many edits to an article with as few saves as you can. This prevents flooding of page histories and the RecentChanges. And, on character pages (and character-by-season articles too) they are iu so the verb tense should be past tense, not present tense. Final note, remember to keep the edits serious :) You said something about Kim Bauer putting on a tight shirt that you could "see stuff through" — now although it is true, I'm sure you can agree it isn't the kind of thing that belongs in an encyclopedia. Thanks man and happy editing! Blue Rook  talk  contribs 21:23, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Day 7 FBI agent

Hey, I think I've updated all the links to the unnamed non-CTU agents page - all except one, in the first paragraph of the episode guide of Day 7: 10:00pm-11:00pm. Now I don't have the DVD so can't confirm if the FBI agent mentioned in this episode is indeed one of the unnamed agents on the page (contrary to the unnamed page), or if it's someone who later had their name revealed, or if it's someone who should be on the unnamed page and never got made. I dunno if you (or someone else) can check this out? Just to finish off the job! Cheers--Acer4666 19:41, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

That's excellent work man, couldn't have done it better myself!
I just came back to fix that mistake I made about relabeling Charters/Turner's first episode from Yes to Note1, but I saw you already did it, thanks bro. (Must have gotten confused, especially since I was the clown that first added that image to show it was a Yes in the first place.) And you probably saw at this point that the final leftover guy was Mizelli. Very smooth transition, and I appreciate all that grunt work you did! Blue Rook  talk  contribs 20:51, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Ah cool, cheers for checking it out so fast!
Ah there was something else I meant to ask you about: I remember at Template talk:Stunts you said that these templates mess up the "whatlinkshere" feature - now in theory, is the "hide transclusions" part of the whatlinkshere screen meant to not show links that are within templates? I mean it's a fairly moot point, seeing as that feature doesn't actually hide those links, but I was wondering if that's what it's supposed to do or if that hides something else?--Acer4666 21:11, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
When you hide transclusions, that only hides links to something when the links are inside double curly braces: you'll still see double bracket links listed. The most clear example of this I can think of is Template:Sidebar, which of course is linked in thousands of pages (4,224 at the moment, it seems). If you Hide Transclusions, you'll get this laughably small list of remaining links, which are the only few instances when people have linked to it regularly.
There should be a way to hide "links within templates" like you're getting at, however (I've always wanted it too). I just don't know how that can be done. It would probably require a software update and it's doubtful such a thing would happen in my estimation. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 21:37, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, cheers for explaining that above point, I understand what it's for now. Another quick question - have all the citations changed throughout the wiki recently for you as well as me? In short, they're not small anymore, they're the same size as the main text? Example: ("Day 1: 12:00am-1:00am")--Acer4666 22:49, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Update: every bit of small writing is big for me, like the transcripts on your bluetooth cabal shrine--Acer4666 22:51, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Further update: it's a wikia-wide problem, apparently they're looking into fixing it. [3]--Acer4666 09:10, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
Aha, thank you for fixing this!--Acer4666 13:46, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Burkette's co-workers

Can you check Day 5: 4:00pm-5:00pm (the 10th episode)at approximately 39:25 to find Burkette's co-workers' names? --William.Y.Fremont 09:51, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sure thing, I'll get back to you here with what I can find. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 14:49, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I thought I'd let you know what I could see on the computer screen - they were both born on June 11 (coincidentally), they both have brown hair, one has blue eyes the other brown, one is 5'11", and one of them lives at house number 1234. It seems like some serious "can't be arsed" filler material on the profiles, and the line at the top that would seem to be their name is the same on both people's profiles. But it's really hard to make anything out--Acer4666 14:53, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Proudhug has Blu-Ray I think, maybe he can get a better look? But all I'm able to make out is the first name Michael and a surname like: Orevel, Gravei, Gravel, Orevei, or something like that. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 23:19, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

I definitely would if such a thing existed. Unfortunately there are only BDs for seasons 7 & 8, both of which I do have, yes. I also have a 720p TV rip of Redemption, which is slightly better than the DVD. But alas, Seasons 1-6 aren't available anywhere in HD. :( --proudhug 23:30, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, crap, I could have figured that out if I researched for 2 seconds. Sorry for puttin ya on the spot! Blue Rook  talk  contribs 23:32, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I saw Williams post and got excited to check it out, but then noticed what episode it was from. There are lots of things from the first six seasons I'd love to be able to see in HD. --proudhug 23:35, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Now what?

Proudhug won't talk to me after that discussion because I kept insisting on adding that kill from 5x0 and he says I wouldn't compromise. What do you want to do about it? Do you agree with adding it? --ASHPD24 17:13, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

I'm always willing to listen to people's reasons for things, but you haven't seemed willing or able to provide any. Wiki 24's policy is that precedent stands until a consensus is reached that enough good reason has been provided to change things. --proudhug 19:10, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Yep I'll reply there for the topic. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 23:19, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Curious question

Are you on Twitter of FaceBook? --Station7 19:59, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yes for Facebook; I tried to link the 2 accounts but it doesn't seem to work. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 05:28, April 27, 2011 (UTC)


Have you seen the new chat feature they're making for wikia? What do you think of it? here--Acer4666 11:59, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

I can't tell, but is there a record leftover from the chats? In other words, do the chats have page histories. Or is it more like a normal chat room, which disappears when everyone leaves. This sounds good but I'm worried that consensus discussions won't be recorded and impossible to refer back to. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 15:11, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
haha - I asked exactly that, here. Great minds and all that eh?--Acer4666 15:15, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
Also, I think if this does go ahead and get stuck on the wikis that we should specify that wiki-relevant discussions are only valid on talk pages. Making edits and referring to a consensus reached in chat is not really that different to e-mails sent between editors to talk about things, in my opinion. But I think it'd be useful to see who is around when, for co-ordinating large changes done at the same time, and also for more informal talks to get to know the editors better, things that aren't worthy of talk page editing--Acer4666 15:19, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
Absolutely. I very much was hoping it was a live chat thing like Vent or a Skype sort of thing but a text chat is very neat too. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 00:44, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Bar between title and article that's now gone

Hey, just about that forum topic about the bar where we used to have icons and it's now gone - according to the comments here, apparently putting .WikiaPageHeader { border-bottom: 1px solid #D9D9D9; margin-bottom: 5px; } into the mediawiki:wikia.css page, it puts a bar back. I don't know if that would be an idea to see if the icons will go back to where they were? I dunno if that makes sense to you as something to do to the mediawiki files, anyway thought I'd mention it!--Acer4666 17:02, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

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