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The appearances lists that we have at the bottom of episode and novel articles are great for finding out what was in that piece of media, however, I would like to propose that we split it into "appearances" and "mentions" as two separate sections. My reasoning:

  1. The title "appearances", by definition, does not include mentions, as they did not "appear".
  2. When I go to a section like Deadline#Appearances, there is hardly any visual distinction between "first appearance" in parentheses and "mentioned only", so just scrolling through the list it's really hard to tell the difference between a character who actually appeared in and was part of the events, and someone like Teri Bauer who happened to be mentioned once or twice and who died years before.
  3. Similarly, in something like the location list of Day 9: 10:00pm-11:00am#Appearances, I would ideally like to be able to differentiate between locations that were part of the plot and the 200-odd countries that appeared on a map of the world.

Do people generally agree?--Acer4666 (Talk) 15:07, January 29, 2017 (UTC)

Agree that it gets absurd in certain cases, but I also think it works well enough on others that a separate section maybe isn't the best way - how about if there are dozens of a certain qualifier we just put them into another sublist? We could do this for both all the mapped countries and all the one-off characters:

--Pyramidhead (talk) 20:53, February 1, 2017 (UTC)

I don't think it even works on that Raid example - when I look at that list I think "when was Nicole Carter in Yemen?", then have to look very closely to work it out. The proposed solution above doesn't solve the problem, in that there are still mentioned character mixed in with ones that appeared. All of this is under an "appearances" header, so as I say mentioned characters technically shouldn't be there! I don't see what's wrong with a separate section if we want to list mentions--Acer4666 (Talk) 13:03, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
We could call it "References" or "Story elements" or something else - it's just to list all IU elements that have anything at all to do with the episode, not strictly what was physically present. Maybe I'm misunderstanding but you want to have two similarly structured lists, right? It seems like it would only really clean things up in cases where you have several dozen of one type that were mentioned or map only. Otherwise you have one list with a lot of items and another with maybe only two or three (example below). Also where do photographs and old video appearances go in that case? Neither of them count as "Appearances" by that definition. --Pyramidhead (talk) 04:57, February 5, 2017 (UTC)

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I've edited it to what I'm suggesting: we wouldn't list empty categories with nothing in them. I think it's a lot neater - and while you've picked a small example to illustrate above, which is true for the handful of prequels and things, the majority of these lists have much more in them. I've put a few, possibly more representative, examples here of a novel, episode and game.
As for distinguishing between a mention/appearance, we already have set rules for this, which currently governs whether they go in Category:Mentioned_characters or not, and whether they get an appearances template. Live video and audio is an "appearance", photos and archive video are "mentions". The splitting of the lists would reflect this structure that is already in place--Acer4666 (Talk) 10:07, February 5, 2017 (UTC)
Looks a little better... I just don't know if both Appearances and Mentions should be their own sections under "Background information and notes" at the same tier as "Cast and crew", etc. if that makes sense. Maybe structured something like this would be better? --Pyramidhead (talk) 23:01, February 5, 2017 (UTC)
  • Background information and notes
    • Appearances
      • Mentioned only
  • Background information and notes
    • Links and references
      • Appearances
      • Mentions
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