Forum:Article for Bill's safe house

Forum: The Situation Room > Article for Bill's safe house

Should there be an article for Bill Buchanan's safe house, considering it was featured prominently in the first half of the season? and what about Vossler's house? or the alley where Dubaku met Marika, since the address was given? Thief12 14:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

If you have addresses or building names, absolutely. If neither was provided, there can't be a page directly dealing with it (kind of like Palmer's Day 1 hotel room). The option in the latter case would be to include the information in the next-most-pertinent article, such as the city neighborhood where it was included or dispersed throughout Bill's own article. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 15:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

2010 November related discussion reboot

In reply to the creation of two more such articles, and the creation of red links for two more such articles by Pyramidhead, it's just a matter of getting a policy change. At the moment these kinds of pages can't be allowed. I'm trying to find the thread/talk page where Proudhug argued against these pages, but for the life of me it's not turning up. I'd really like to find it before proceeding. In general though, I don't have a problem with the idea of accepting these pages after we've talked through the specifics for inclusion guidelines. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 05:51, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I honestly didn't realize this was discussed before; it seemed to me like a complete no-brainer. It's absolutely ridiculous to just leave out something like the Palmer hotel, which figured prominently in 1/16 (give or take) of the show's total airtime, because it didn't have a name, yet have an article for Andrew Paige's mom's house. --Pyramidhead 10:00, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

That's fine, and again, I'll emphasize that I can't find the discussion where Proudhug had defended the idea of not creating pages for unnamed locations... it's actually very frustrating. Pyramidhead to make it official you can propose a policy change here if you like. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 07:58, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, don't know if this is still an open discussion, but I too think important unnamed locations should have some sort of inclusion. Blue Rook is this the discussion you were on about? It gets brought up here. Has anyone proposed this as a policy change yet?--Acer4666 00:16, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

You found it! Hah good work! I was wondering where the discussion was, all this time.

Nobody to my knowledge has proposed a policy change on this yet. Frankly if you do, I would support it if you detail your reasoning thoroughly enough. And, to be frank, it wouldn't be so much a written policy change as the establishment of a new precedent. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 07:19, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ah brilliant, I will do, just need to work out how many eps a location has to appear in to warrant an article. Could you possibly link me the current policy on article worthy-ness? I can't seem to find anything on the policy page, maybe it was established in a discussion somewhere? Just so I know the current situation before trying to change it! Cheers --Acer4666 15:07, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Except for potentially similar instances like Omar Hassan's pen, specific but unnamed locations having articles is untrodden ground. Therefore there are no rules for noteworthiness at this time, which is neat because we can establish them! At this point, I'd say tentatively that a location should appear in at least three episodes before it is eligible for its own article. It should be building- (or maybe room-/suite-) specific, to prevent some clown from showing up and posting an article about a hallway, closet, or something else to be disruptive. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 22:59, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Haha very good point. I'd agree with 3 episodes, was thinking that number myself, though it seems most unnamed locations in 24 either appear once, or like lots (more than 10). When I was asking about the article worthy-ness I was also wondering about rules for characters - it seems that if a character has a name they have an article, and if they speak a line they're allowed in the unnamed characters section - is there an official page describing these rules? Sorry for all the questions recently I'm just trying to establish what things are like on the wiki before I do too much editing that needs reversing! Thank you again --Acer4666 23:18, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

You're correct about the specifics of those rules: if they have a name, they can have an article, and if they speak/receive a co-star credit, they can go into the Unnamed Entries. However those rules aren't in the written policy to my knowledge. I always considered them to exist in the form of standard editing conventions. If we wanted to change them for characters, then we might consider writing them down.

But, since we're talking about new rules for locations, we just create a new precedent with consensus. It is very good that you're asking so do not hesitate in the future to check as well. You can see a really good consensus discussion over at User_talk:Wtl7, where we got the rules for Category:Images_(characters). Blue Rook  talk  contribs 02:57, January 20, 2011 (UTC)