Forum: The Situation Room > Canon & Books
Over at Talk:Bullpen I was wondering about a change to the wording of the canon policy, and also how we classify the 24 books. Basically, the canon policy currently states that only information from novels is allowed in IU articles, and yet lots of stuff from the 24: The Official CTU Operations Manual has been included, despite it being listed as a 'reference book'. Now I think books should be split into 'fiction' and 'non-fiction', and that wording be placed into the canon policy. But not owning the books myself, I'm not entirely sure where each one fits, so may need a hand sorting them - for example, it seems that 24: The Ultimate Guide contains both IU and OOU material - am I right in this assumption? Anyway, I just wanted to run the canon change and book pages change past the community, and also if anyone can help me sort them, cheers--Acer4666 18:18, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
- The only fiction books are Findings at CTU, the Declassified novels, and the Operations Manual (other than the comics, of course). Everything else is strictly OOU information. Your suggesting of a rewording of the policy is an extremely good idea, Acer. --proudhug 00:53, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, just so everyone is clear on what I'm proposing before I go do it: every time the phrase "novels/comics/games" pops up (not just in the canon policy, also in places like On-screen kills by Jack Bauer), I'm gonna replace it with "fictional books/comics/games". Then I'm gonna re-name the Novels page "Fictional books" and the 24 reference books page "Non-fiction books". Also gonna move 24: The Official CTU Operations Manual from the non-fiction to the fiction page. Any problems with the wording, titles, etc., I'm open to suggestions, but if there's nothing in a few days I'll go ahead with this.--Acer4666 18:22, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Haha, it's "fiction books" not "fictional books." The latter implies the books themselves aren't real. We don't want people trying to add David Palmer's unfinished autobiography here. Also, we should keep the OOU article titles OOU by calling them "Fiction 24 books" and "Non-fiction 24 books." --proudhug 18:41, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Haha oh yeah, stupid me! yeah, inclusion of "24" sounds good to show they're OOU in the title--Acer4666 18:46, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Oh actually I have a question about fiction books vs fictional books - is the "CTU operations manual" seen to be a book IU? ie in the Militära_underrättelse_och_säkerhetstjänsten article, it says that it was "mentioned" in the manual. So in some way it is a fiction book, and a fictional book, in some strange piece of meta-fiction?--Acer4666 19:00, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, I guess that's another issue we haven't really dealt with. It is both IU and OOU, but separate items, not the same item. And by that I mean, the IU version wouldn't have references to "24" or "20th Century Fox" etc. at the beginning, while the OOU version does. And really, this is the exact same issue with [[Findings at CTU]. Findings even incorporates Marc Cerasini into the IU canon. Technically these should have separate articles, but since they're pretty much the same content, it would only be for the sake of completeness.
- On a similar, yet completely off-topic note, I've been advocating for years that we have separate articles for "Season 1" and "Day 1" etc., since the actual Day itself is a specific IU series of events. No one's argued against it, but at the same time, no one has yet stepped up to create the IU pages. --proudhug 19:12, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Am I right in thinking the terms "Day 1", "day 2" etc, are the one concession we make when writing IU pages to make them understandable for the everyday OOU reader? I don't think IU articles for them would quite work - what IU encyclopedia would chronicle a particular 24-hour period, focussing on a set of people who had a few interactions during the day? I think the events pages are the best way to handle season-wide story arcs.
- I think the only season it would work for would be the first, as A) it all happens on one day, B) that is a significant, noteworthy day, the 2002 (or whenever) california primary, which could feasibly have an article about it.--Acer4666 19:51, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
- We already have pages like "Jack Bauer on Day 1" so this would just be an all-encompassing "Events of Day 1" IU article, but merely named "Day 1" of course.
- Well yeah, we split up character articles into sections for different days, and for articles where this would be too large we split into multiple articles for one character. We pick splitting it by days as the one concession we make. But we don't have a page called "events" that needs splitting into "events of day 1", etc. I think that sort of IU page, one that chronicles everything that happens in 24 ever, would be an IU equivalent to the 24 page. I'm considering whether I'm favour of that or not--Acer4666 20:23, April 20, 2011 (UTC)