Forum:Cheng shooter who killed Audrey

Forum: The Situation Room > Cheng shooter who killed Audrey

I know they are rules about unnamed characters, but we should make one exception since Cheng's shooter was the one who killed Audrey in LAD, which is kind of important to the plot. So it is pretty important issue to discuss. BattleshipMan (talk) 15:18, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

I concur that this should be an exception given how this is a key impact in the plot regardless of the character not uttering any audible dialogue. I've had this same issue with key characters and how a simple painful moan or other last-minute yelp doesn't qualify either.--Gunman6 (talk) 18:29, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

There are no exceptions made to policies - if an uncredited, no dialogue character is included then there is nothing to stop every extra and minor backgroud nobody being listed. We have a rule about this and exceptions are not made. It's exactly why Blue Rook started up a personal project page listing forbidden characters he deemed important. How important characters are is always a matter of personal opinion, so a personal project page is the perfect (and only) place they can be listed. Let me know if you need help setting up a page similar to Blue Rook's--Acer4666 (talk) 17:19, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Noted on the personal project page by Blue Rook. But the issue is that the assassin who has no dialogue killed Audrey, who was one of the main character in LAD and that's why it should be discussed. BattleshipMan (talk) 17:39, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Random unnamed assassins picking off major characters is a constant theme in 24. Scott Baylor, Richard Walsh, Robert Ellis, Jonathan Wallace, Peter Kingsley, Claudia Hernandez, Diana White, Omar, Henry Powell, Dina Araz, Koo Yin, James Nathanson, Sarah, Nabeel, etc etc, were all killed by "forbidden" characters. Like, they have varying degrees of importance, so it's a slippery slope to start including some of their killers based on arbitrary criteria of relative importance of the victim. You're free to "discuss" it as much as you like, but not make a character entry on the mainspace articles--Acer4666 (talk) 18:07, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Then let's vote for a change in policy in either this thread or the next.--Gunman6 (talk) 18:16, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Except we don't vote for changes in policy, it's done through consensus, discussion and presentation of legitimate reasons for a change, and I don't see any here--Acer4666 (talk) 20:16, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

The issue here is that the ones you mentioned above are mainly guest characters in their respective seasonal appearances. Audrey was a main character in LAD and she was killed by an unnamed assassin with no dialogue, so that should be discussed. BattleshipMan (talk) 20:35, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

If we need to, we can vote on a change in that way of changing policies through whatever means and then vote on this part of the rule of thumb. Reasons, legitimate or not, have been discussed if not fully given and can continued to be discussed as opposed to more of the same "No, I disagree/don't think so/not happening" responses that are continuing to pop up here.--Gunman6 (talk) 20:42, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

What you're suggesting is changing the inclusion policy that currently reads:

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Of the hundreds of characters lacking names, only a select handful are eligible for inclusion for their own entries in the unnamed characters pages. Primarily, unnamed characters with co-star credits receive such entries. Additionally any significant character with dialogue is also eligible; in practice, this means limiting it to characters for which a useful and illustrative image can be shown unless the spoken words are especially prominent.

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And changing it to read:

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Of the hundreds of characters lacking names, only a select handful are eligible for inclusion for their own entries in the unnamed characters pages. Primarily, unnamed characters with co-star credits receive such entries. Additionally any significant character with dialogue is also eligible. Additionally, any character who, during the course of the show, has killed a character whose actor received "main star" billing in the credits of the season. In practice, this means limiting it to characters for which a useful and illustrative image can be shown unless the spoken words are especially prominent.

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This is a completely random and convoluted addition to that policy that sticks out like a sore thumb. Having such a specific set of criteria that you have just made up in order to include this one particular edge case is a nonsensical way of forming policies. Gunman6, the way decisions are made here, as per Wikipedia's guidelines, are not going to change to a voting system just because you don't like it--Acer4666 (talk) 21:01, April 6, 2015 (UTC)