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: Second, I agree that putting the word "disambiguation" after a title is awful. I think this should be avoided at all times. The current system accomplishes this. Over at Memory_Alpha:Disambiguation, you can see that they are actually very hesitant in their policy when it comes to allowing pages with "disambiguation" in their titles to be created. If we implement this proposal, we have to be willing to accept a crap ton of pages over in [[Special:Disambiguations]]. The only way to solve this is to stop using '''<nowiki>{{disambig}}</nowiki>''' and create our own notice, perhaps '''<nowiki>{{disambiguation}}</nowiki>''', in the style of Template:Welcome and Template:Status.
 
: Second, I agree that putting the word "disambiguation" after a title is awful. I think this should be avoided at all times. The current system accomplishes this. Over at Memory_Alpha:Disambiguation, you can see that they are actually very hesitant in their policy when it comes to allowing pages with "disambiguation" in their titles to be created. If we implement this proposal, we have to be willing to accept a crap ton of pages over in [[Special:Disambiguations]]. The only way to solve this is to stop using '''<nowiki>{{disambig}}</nowiki>''' and create our own notice, perhaps '''<nowiki>{{disambiguation}}</nowiki>''', in the style of Template:Welcome and Template:Status.
 
: Finally, I understand everything in the proposal, and am willing to agree with it, but before I do, please explain this line: "Or we would remove the tag in this case (which is what I was originally trying to do), however this would seem to create inconsistency with the policy." I have no clue if this is referring to the tag in the title or the sentence at the top of the page. – [[User:Blue Rook|Blue Rook]] 03:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<sub>[[User talk:Blue Rook|<font color="skyblue">talk</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Blue Rook|contribs]]</sub>
 
: Finally, I understand everything in the proposal, and am willing to agree with it, but before I do, please explain this line: "Or we would remove the tag in this case (which is what I was originally trying to do), however this would seem to create inconsistency with the policy." I have no clue if this is referring to the tag in the title or the sentence at the top of the page. – [[User:Blue Rook|Blue Rook]] 03:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<sub>[[User talk:Blue Rook|<font color="skyblue">talk</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Blue Rook|contribs]]</sub>
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I guess I just find this system to remain simple and consistent. The whole disambiguation note idea can get messy if there are more than two or three links at the top of the page. The tag I was referring to was "(disambiguation)" in the title of the article.
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One of the projects I've been (slowly) working on is the disambiguation system, so I think I'm gonna mill this over a bit. --[[User:Proudhug|Proudhug]] 15:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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Forum: The Situation Room > Manual of Style disambiguation changes proposal


After years of thinking I'd come up with a disambiguation policy better than that used on Memory Alpha, I must conceit that the way they seem to do it is probably the best. The reason for me writing the Manual of Style the way it is is because I wanted to avoid the use of the hideously long "(disambiguation)" tag on articles, when it it seemed unnecessary. However, I see now this is likely the best way in a lot of situations.

So, here's my proposal for the new policy:

  1. If there's only one character with a single name (ie. Eric), that character gets the "Eric" page and a note appears at the top of his page, directing to "Eric (disambiguation)" for other characters with the same name (ie. Eric Balfour).
  2. If more than one character shares a single name (ie. Lisa), they each have a disambiguation tag (ie. "(Day 1)", "(The Rookie)", etc.) added to their title, with a link to "Lisa (disambiguation)" at the top of each article. The "Lisa" page would redirect to "Lisa (disambiguation)." Or we would remove the tag in this case (which is what I was originally trying to do), however this would seem to create inconsistency with the policy. Characters with full names (ie. Lisa Miller) still need no disambiguation notes, of course.

And I'm pretty sure this exact same policy will work with non-character name articles, too. What do you think, sirs? --Proudhug 23:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm all for the first option, but I slightly disagree with the second proposal. As I've asked on a couple talk pages before, it's not necessary to link to a disambiguation page if the article already has a more specific title (full name, or day appearance). It's already implied that there are other characters named "Lisa" when a user sees the disambig tags in the title, so that user can just type "Lisa" into the search and be taken to its respective disambiguation page. --Deege515 01:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, but my only concern is that some disambiguation pages will have the tag and some won't, creating a bit of inconsistency. --Proudhug 01:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

How about every disambiguation page has such a tag? I'll understand and agree that, yes, it does makes the article name "hideously long"; but if implemented correctly, the amount of links to these disambig pages should be very limited, since we're technically supposed to be linking to the actual intended page regardless. --Deege515 02:02, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes, I'd misunderstood what you'd said. Yes, I agree completely that the note would be unnecessary on already-tagged pages. Other than that, you're for the change? --Proudhug 02:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

This is a reasonable proposal, and yes the method has been used on other wikis. I only have a few questions, but otherwise I'm down for these changes. First, I have no clue why you've lost faith in the system you had formulated that is currently in use. Why try to implement an overhauling substitute for something that is not broken? You haven't mentioned what exactly you believe is wrong with the current standard.
Second, I agree that putting the word "disambiguation" after a title is awful. I think this should be avoided at all times. The current system accomplishes this. Over at Memory_Alpha:Disambiguation, you can see that they are actually very hesitant in their policy when it comes to allowing pages with "disambiguation" in their titles to be created. If we implement this proposal, we have to be willing to accept a crap ton of pages over in Special:Disambiguations. The only way to solve this is to stop using {{disambig}} and create our own notice, perhaps {{disambiguation}}, in the style of Template:Welcome and Template:Status.
Finally, I understand everything in the proposal, and am willing to agree with it, but before I do, please explain this line: "Or we would remove the tag in this case (which is what I was originally trying to do), however this would seem to create inconsistency with the policy." I have no clue if this is referring to the tag in the title or the sentence at the top of the page. – Blue Rook 03:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)talkcontribs

I guess I just find this system to remain simple and consistent. The whole disambiguation note idea can get messy if there are more than two or three links at the top of the page. The tag I was referring to was "(disambiguation)" in the title of the article.

One of the projects I've been (slowly) working on is the disambiguation system, so I think I'm gonna mill this over a bit. --Proudhug 15:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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