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Should I create a pre-Day 1 appearances template that has all of the novels and other things that show up before Day 1? ---CWY2190talkcontribs 02:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think it's fine just listing them. Don't forget there are also things that take place between seasons, not just before Day 1. I think it could get a little messy. The season templates were created to eliminate long lists of episodes that characters appeared in. Lists of comics and novels aren't that long yet, even for Jack. --Proudhug 03:02, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I created one. If you dont think it will work, go ahead and delete it. ---CWY2190talkcontribs 03:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
It's not that it won't work, it just doesn't seem necessary. --Proudhug 12:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

With all of the 24 novels and comics, I think it might be a good idea to make an appearances template for all the novels, comics, and games rather than just listing them. -- 21:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The thing is, the length of an hour of a game, novel or (especially) comic isn't significantly long enough to warrant an entire article, so a template would make no sense. I'm pretty sure that merely mentioning that a character appeared in a novel, comic or game is sufficient. The main body of the character article itself (and/or the story's synopsis) should make it clear what times they appeared, if it's something someone needs to know. --Proudhug 21:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I was actually referring to making a template saying {{AppearancesNovels | Veto Power=yes | Cat's Claw=yes}} for Jessi Bandison; not a whole template for Veto Power. -- 17:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you're saying. But, doing this will take away the chronological order of the appearances, however. As stated above, some novels, comics and games take place between seasons, rather than before Day 1. How would you solve this problem? --Proudhug 21:44, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not able to participate in this effort, but, perhaps those who are making this could isolate only the novels, comics, etc. which definitely take place before Day 1 and make a template just for them only. That doesn't solve your problem, PH, it sort of just steps around it. But to be fair to the other comics, novels, etc., those could be inserted in their appropriate places between the Days at a later time. It would be best to sort out the pre-Day 1 items first, since they're easiest and most numerous, it seems.
I think this template isn't a bad idea, but I do hope that the proposed template, if made, is small and relatively unobtrusive; I'd hate to have a large template showing up before the main TV Day appearances. – Blue Rook 22:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)talkcontribs

Since all novels take place before Day One, this wouldn't be a problem for novels. For comics/games we could either continue writing them in or use a template and either ignore the relationship with the seasons or write the season relationships (Before Day One (One Shot), After Day Two (Midnight Sun), After Day Three (Mobile Game) inside. I just read Blue Rook's comment. I was thinking of a 3 line template with two novels per line for the novels.-- 22:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

It seems weird to me to center out only those stories which take place before Day 1, while the others get a bulleted list. I also like having the templates only for episodes because it emphasizes their importance and makes it easier to browse. The only thing that would work would be a template for only the Declassified novels, as you say, since it's unlikely any will take place post-Day 1 or that anything else will explicitly take place in between them, however it might look weird having templates for the episodes and Declassified novels, but nothing else, as if those novels are more important than comics and games. A navigational template for the Declassifieds might be a good idea for the bottom of each of the novel's pages, though. --Proudhug 22:26, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I was referring to the Declassified Novels; I forgot about the House's Findings at CTU. I was referring to bulletted lists as an option for comics and games as a possibility, not a certainty. The navigational template would also be good. -- 23:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

It could probably work, even though I personally still don't see the necessity. Feel free to try it out and if no one likes it we can switch it back. --Proudhug 23:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

How do you import templates into Wiki 24. I'm pretty new on the technical bits of Wiki 24. -- 23:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Overall, I really like the idea of putting all the canonical items at chronologically appropriate places in the templates and a pre-Day 1 template. But I'm afraid that the pre-Day 1 template (if people go thru with this) will be large and unduly take attention away from what we all know to be the most important source of canon: the episodes. I think it would be best if we wound up including the canonical sources, so long as the non-TV episode templates were smaller than the day templates. Couldn't we make the pre-Day 1 template only 1 line? or two? – Blue Rook 23:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)talkcontribs
Try this out: Template:AppearancesN --Proudhug 00:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
This is perfect. I will start putting it on pages ASAP. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by
I am also and I will soon become Protocol Red. -- 22:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Finally, after all the talk and no action! To wrap this up even more, what do you all think if I placed Day 0 inside the Day 1 template, just as the Prequels, and then, as the Conspiracy after Day 4, put the The House Special Subcommittee's Findings at CTU below the Day 1 hours. I believe this would be the best way to neatly account for those two canonical sources in the templates. What do you all think? (I kept only the first line of Day 1 hours to save space here.)

12:00am-1:00am 1:00am-2:00am 2:00am-3:00am 3:00am-4:00am 4:00am-5:00am 5:00am-6:00am...
The House Special Subcommittee's Findings at CTU

Blue Rook 05:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)talkcontribs

Maybe I missed it, but how does Day Zero pertain to Day 1? --Proudhug 08:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I figured it pertained to day 1 because one of the taglines they use is: "before there was day 1, there was day 0" or something like that. Isn't this miniseries supposed to take place right before day 1 chronologically? – Blue Rook 08:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)talkcontribs
Bad argument there. You could also say "Before there was Day 4, there was Day 3." Logically, you would have to merge the Day 3 and Day 4 templates. Nuh-uh. --Deege515 08:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
The templates should only group things that are part of a series. Episodes in a season are part of the same series, grouped in with relevant prequels and sequels. The Declassifieds are a series. Day Zero has nothing to do with Day 1, so it's not part of the same series. --Proudhug 12:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I thought it has everything to do with Day 1: it deals with three of its primary characters, foreshadows its final twist (Nina's betrayal), and the only difference is the medium in which it is presented. I had included it in that example template was because Day 0 was chronologically before Day 1 as a prequel-released-afterward. I didn't think along the lines of the argument you guys present because I figured "all canon was equal and part of the same series of events in the 24 microverse", not "all canon needs to be separated into separate microcosms". In other words, templates in my mind were chronological tools for organizing equal canon sources among themselves, but for you guys/the consensus, they are for structuring mini-series within themselves. Is that a fair representation of your side?

With that in mind, it rules out Day 0, so I guess Day 0 will remain afloat between templates in a bulletpoint. But you guys didn't mention the Subcommittee Report. I think your criteria very much include the Report, since it's a direct sequel to Day 1, and unquestionably deals with the exact same material. Despite the different authorship and medium (which no one brought up yet), it deals directly with the Day 1 series and it's aftermath, so I leave the argument that the Report be included in the template (as above). – Blue Rook 17:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)talkcontribs

The Declassified novels as well as One Shot all include Day 1's primary characters and foreshadow Nina's betrayal, so that argument still doesn't work. With respect to content, I do consider all canon to be equal and part of the same series of events, but the reality is that all episodes in a season should be grouped together into a template because they're directly related. It also makes sense to group the novels together because they're all published under the same banner. Debrief and Findings at CTU make sense to be included in the templates for their respective seasons because they're specifically created as epilogues. I wasn't the one to suggest any of the templates, even the season ones, since I was content having them merely listed in chronological order like they used to be. This template thing seems to be turning into somewhat of a slippery slope, unless we keep things simple. --Proudhug 18:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I was probably pushing it a bit much, there. Slippery slopes are best avoided.
You refer to a time before templates... definitely before my time here at Wiki 24. My grandfather used to tell me stories about a time before microwaves. :D Certainly you agree that the templates are kind of a sexy attribute of our wikia (especially over their former appearance).
In the end, it would be permissable for me to plug in the Subcommittee Findings beneath Season 1 eps, just like Debrief in 6, correct? To preclude the possibility of only me and PH thinking that's a good idea, anyone more like to weigh in on this, Deege515, others?– Blue Rook 19:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)talkcontribs
Good heavens did you accomplish it all already? It sure looks like it; let me know if there is anything remaining that I can do. Thanks for tackling this! – Blue Rook 20:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)talkcontribs
I'm pretty sure I got everyone, but if you find anyone else, feel free to add them. It's tricky sifting through the pre-recorded interviews. --Proudhug 00:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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