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: That's where we differ. Anything is possible if you wish to inject that level of speculation. When it comes to fiction it should be Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is the correct one. Max is behind Mandy's attack, and the man behind the attack is arrested, therefore Max is arrested. {{User:Blue Rook/Sig}} 06:02, October 3, 2011 (UTC)
 
: That's where we differ. Anything is possible if you wish to inject that level of speculation. When it comes to fiction it should be Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is the correct one. Max is behind Mandy's attack, and the man behind the attack is arrested, therefore Max is arrested. {{User:Blue Rook/Sig}} 06:02, October 3, 2011 (UTC)
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: But then there's the possibility that since Max was wearing a bulletproof vest he indeed was taken alive, though I'm not sure how much I agree with that assessment. And while in most cases I would agree with you about the simplest explanation being the right one, it's unfortunately not that simple in this case. Yes, it was clear that Max was one of the key players in the plot. However, it's also explicitly clear that Trepkos is about on the same level as Max. He doesn't say "We are unhappy" or "I am unhappy" to Kingsley, perhaps because Kingsley already knew that. And yes, Max didn't clue Trepkos in on his assassination attempt, but that's what terrorists do. They only share information among their cell so as to protect the other cells in case one of them is captured. Max was covering his bases here. He wanted to make sure that if it led back to Trepkos, then he could take the fall instead, which is very likely what happened. So, in reality, there's very strong evidence which makes your theory true, in that Max was actually just injured and was arrested, but makes the game still canon in the series universe. --[[User:ASHPD24|ASHPD24]] 06:09, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Revision as of 06:09, October 3, 2011

Revamp

Proudhug, a while ago you told me that this page was being revamped so that instead of having episode numbers, the page would be orientated by Mission titles. Well, I'm about to start up my game file again, and would be willing to do the details. However, I'm not sure how to structure it. If someone could basically change the current table to how it will be, I can make pages for each of the missions as I reach them. SignorSimon 20:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I've been thinking, and I don't understand why it would be better to split this article up into missions rather than hours. It sticks more like the other seasons of 24 if it's in hours, plus there might not be a lot to say for some missions if they are just the small, puzzle-solving ones. SignorSimon 17:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

The Game isn't split up into hours, it's split up into missions. Each mission even conveniently has its own title! There's no such thing as "The Game 8:00am-9:00am." That title was just made up and doesn't exist anywhere. The mission titles do, however, exist, so let's use them. I explained this already on your talk page back in December. Creating an article for each mission also invites expansion. Each mission page can have a ton of useful info besides a mere synopsis, such as hints, walkthroughs, maps, lists of available weapons and items, enemies and allies, playable characters, easter eggs, bugs, or any other useful mission-specific information. It makes no sense to cram two or three unrelated missions onto one page just because they occurred in the same hour of the story. --Proudhug 01:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm coming along with this. I know it seems a bit diorganised at the minute with half of it in missions and half in hours but I added much more info to all the pages that already existed, then continued through the game and have almost finished it now. When I do there will be missions from episode 17-24. Once that is done I will go back and split eps 1-16 into missions, then put the new missions table onto the page for The Game! SignorSimon 08:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Made a template

for appearances in The Game. Here it is:



6:00am-12:00pm
Storming the Ship Ricin Wired to Blow Chase Found Out Following Daniels
Daniels Takedown Interrogating Daniels Sniper Search Taking Out the Enemy
PDA Data Discovered Ho Shin's Shop To Lee Jin Yu's Apartment Tony's Unexpected Find
12:00pm-6:00pm
Bringing in Lee Jin Yu Stopping the Metro Attack M3 Kim Goes Back In
Too the Roof Chase Undercover Reboot To the Agency
Through the Agency Jack is Chased Madsen Attacked Chase Infiltrates the Tech Lab
6:00pm-12:00am
Questioning Donna Going After Del Toro Jack Tracks Kim to Madsen's Base Jack Heads Into Madsen's Base
Escape from Madsen's Base Jack and Kim Escape Disabling the Data Scrambler Locating the Bombs
Tony Leads a Team to the Bomb Bomb Defusal Jack Leads a Team to the Bomb Attack at the Bomb Site
After the Earthquake Madsen Has Kate Going after Madsen The Search for Radford
Hostage Situation
12:00am-6:00am
Accessing the Computer Labs Finding the CTU Data Drive Escaping Joseph Sin Chung's Base Looking for Kate
Protect Chase Chase Ambushed The Informant Searching Radford's Office
DOD System Hack Armored Truck Pursuit Fort Lesker's Control Room Cracking the Codes
Escape from Fort Lesker Raiding the Docks Jack vs. Madsen Taking the Ship
The Final Showdown

--Pyramidhead 21:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Naming

I'm proposing a move of this article to The Game. The current name doesn't fit with the rest of the style. I don't especially like it, but it seems others do and I want things to be uniform. I post this here knowing it will mean a large number of pages link to the redirect, and that people might want to start linking to what will be the new page. - Xtreme680 00:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I actually had moved it there a while ago but it got moved back. My rationale is that everything could be preceeded by "24:" so it's not necessary. This is explained in the Manual of Style too, of course. --Proudhug 08:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I say we move it, work on fixing the links, and protect it from being moved, while still allowing editing. It would be what the manuel of style says is what the style is. - Xtreme680 17:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I like having the 24 prefix before things that have it. Yeah, "in theory" everything has the prefix. But in reality, everything does not. It's part of the title, and I don't see why it should be trunkated. Besides, having pages called things like "The Game" and "The Postmortem" and "The Official Magazine" just sounds dumb. --StBacchus 01:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Why does it sound dumb? This is a website about 24. There's never going to be an article about "Lost: The Official Magazine" or "The Godfather: The Game". --Proudhug 04:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
There isn't just "The Game," there are a couple of games. There are a couple of unofficial guides, too. And like I said before, it's part of the title. Not everything has it. There's no need to remove it. --StBacchus 02:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Appearances

Any reason why we shouldn't include the appearance box for characters in 24: The Game? -WarthogDemon 19:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

We haven't really decided if we want to have one large page for it, or individual hour guides, so most of the hours guides aren't written. The more I think about it, the better it sounds to just have a huge storyline page or something, and not individual episodes. - Xtreme680 20:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I for sure don't believe we need individual hour articles for The Game. I figure that, since the Missions are actually named, that's the best way to split it up. And either way, I don't think we need an appearances box for anything other than the seasons of the show. --Proudhug 21:54, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that maybe we should go for the individual episodes. The summary of Jack alone is pretty big. Plus there are lots of secondary characters and places such as Phillips (24: The Game). I could understand having a basic summary with general information on the page, but people like Phillips would only get a brief mention in an entire chunk of text. And while I haven't gotten to them yet, there are also several other minor character pages from 24: The Game that I'll be putting up sometime soon. I could also work on each episode guide and make them bigger; I'm sure I can make each hour 3 paragraphs long at least. I'd love to work on that if I could. There's quite a bit of details in the cutscenes that haven't been put in yet. -WarthogDemon 17:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Photos for 24:The Game

Hello gamers... I don't have Playstation and I'll probably never play the game, so I've felt bad that I have nothing to contribute to this area of the Wiki. I do, however, have a link for photos in case any of you are looking for a screenshot or a character or action sequence and need to get an image... twentyfouronline.comhas alot of photos that look like they'd be useful over here. It's up to you all, of course, to decide if you want/need any of them. -Kapoli 02:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Excellent Kapoli, thanks! This page is desperately in need of screenshots. --Proudhug 02:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

"Episodes"

I don't see the need to have separate articles for each hour of the game. I'll delete them unless someone puts up a good argument for their existence. --Proudhug 01:28, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

The Game has just an intense storyline as any season of 24. I highly suggest we give it more credit on the canon list. This article could be cleaned up and we need to do a lot more work on the game and its pages, but it could be an excellent part of the site. - Xtreme680

I'm not sure what exactly you're saying. Is this a vote to keep the individual "episode" pages? The TV show is presented as 24 separate items (episodes), while The Game is presented as one item. If we separate The Game into 24 different articles, should we not do the same for the novels and comics? That would seem silly. --Proudhug 16:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Well obviously not comics since some of the pages on here then would only be a sentance long in length. But why not the books? It might be a little tedious but it could be done. -WarthogDemon 17:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I guess it's acceptable to delete the pages as long as we continue to work on this page and move some of the content from the episode pages onto the main page. I'm just saying that we've been ignoring this article when really it's one of the more important pieces of canon that we have, considering it has the same actors, same scripwriters, and same score writers. Furthermore, lots of fans don't play videogames and some don't have a Playstation 2. The main article just needs to be more detailed as far as the plot of the game, including describing the episodes of the game. If you're telling me it's OK to make a really long, detailed article about the events of the game I'll get working on that, but its going to take some time. - Xtreme680

Oh for sure it needs work. So do the novels and comics. I never thought it was being ignored... there's just so much work on MANY things that hasn't been done yet, not just The Game. Go ahead and begin work on the article. If it winds up being way too long, we can then consider splitting it up. --Proudhug 21:53, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
One idea might be to create one separate article detailing the plot/missions of The Game. --Proudhug 01:19, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

That will still be insanely long, and look crappy. - Xtreme680

I'm just thinking that what's now in progress to be on the main page might wind up pretty long, so it might deserve its own page. --Proudhug 02:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Maybe we should create a box with a summary of the episodes like on the season pages. --24 Administration 10:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
We could do something like that, but I don't think we have any users that can take pictures of the game, which is what makes those pages look so awesome. - Xtreme680

"Season bar"

Why in god's name is it in this article? --Tuntis 03:21, 7 April 2006 (PDT)
I've changed it to a timeline browser and added it to the articles for every "Day". --Proudhug 01:23, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Episode Grid

I have started an episode grid and have found some pictures for it. I will finish it soon. --24 Administration 19:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Finished! --24 Administration 14:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

"Terrorist Organization"

What is the name of Madsen's terrorist organization? Does it have an ideology?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.215.106.195 on 21:43, 6 June 2008

I don't know the name of his group, but I doubt it has one. Madsen's group takes orders from Max, and so the group seems more like a "mercenary force" than a "terrorist group" that you'd expect to have a name. I suppose instead of an ideology it has a bottom line, which would be to earn a fat paycheck. I could be wrong, however, so if someone knows anything else please chime in. – Blue Rook 03:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)talkcontribs
I'm pretty sure you've hit the nail on the head there, Rook. SignorSimon 07:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The Game continuity

The italicized post below is reproduced from Category talk:Masterminds, it has been moved here because it does not relate to the original discussion location:

What you're saying is like saying you think a work is terrible but you dn't hate it. It's called an oxymoron. Saying The Game isn't in the same continuity of the show but in one of its own is not only wrong but contradictory. You haven't even played the game, you only know what you read about, and you don't think the Game is canon based on vague speculation. I know it's canon based on evidence I can back up, not "I think" opinions. --ASHPD24 23:19, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

I never played Playstation games, true. But saying I needed to have played the Game to have knowledge about it is like saying I need to climb K2 "to know it's difficult" or to actually shoot heroin "to know it feels good" or I must touch an open flame "to know fire will hurt" or to read Forsyth's The Jackal to "learn any facts about the title character". It's quite possible to learn about stuff without actually doing the activity. To claim otherwise is madness.

One difficulty with your post is that you're conflating my opinions about the novels & comics with The Game. Everyone knows I'm not a fan of the novels and comics. But I barely have any opinions about the Game. What I'm focusing on are the factual contradictions which are free from any kind of opinions. The contradiction in question is: Game Fact: Max gets shot to death at the end of the Game, whereas, TV Show Fact: Max gets arrested. If one thinks there are any opinions involved in pointing out this factual contradiction, one is wrong. We know only that Max was the man behind the attempt on Palmer's life because we saw him on the phone with Mandy, ordering her to proceed; she then checked in with him afterward. (Trepkos and his unnamed partner knew nothing of this.)

I have just taken the time to explain in factual, non-opinionated detail why they are contradictory continuities. Without any vague speculation. If you would, please likewise explain in factual, non-opinionated detail why you say I am "not only wrong but contradictory" so that there can be a civil discussion. If you choose not to, then it will be clear to everyone that an actual discussion is not your goal here, it is only to be inflammatory.

Also, I promise I won't misquote you, and I expect you will not misquote me again. I certainly did not use the phrase "I think" in my prior post, and I didn't express any antipathy about The Game with opinions. Don't put words in quotes unless the person said precisely that. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 05:21, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hold on a second, there. I'm going to have to stop you. At no point does anyone ever say "Max was arrested." The actual quote is "The man behind the attempt on your life was arrested" (paraphrased). Was at that point Max the only one who knew of this? Yes. Is it plausible that Max later told Trepkos and he took the fall for it? Yes. Since it's never directly confirmed that Max was indeed the one who solely took the blame for it, it can't be just said that the game and the series aren't canon to each other. And since this is all wild speculation, it proves nada. And if you're still concerned about events in the game not being referenced later in the series, I have an explanation for that as well. --ASHPD24 05:35, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

That's where we differ. Anything is possible if you wish to inject that level of speculation. When it comes to fiction it should be Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is the correct one. Max is behind Mandy's attack, and the man behind the attack is arrested, therefore Max is arrested. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 06:02, October 3, 2011 (UTC)
But then there's the possibility that since Max was wearing a bulletproof vest he indeed was taken alive, though I'm not sure how much I agree with that assessment. And while in most cases I would agree with you about the simplest explanation being the right one, it's unfortunately not that simple in this case. Yes, it was clear that Max was one of the key players in the plot. However, it's also explicitly clear that Trepkos is about on the same level as Max. He doesn't say "We are unhappy" or "I am unhappy" to Kingsley, perhaps because Kingsley already knew that. And yes, Max didn't clue Trepkos in on his assassination attempt, but that's what terrorists do. They only share information among their cell so as to protect the other cells in case one of them is captured. Max was covering his bases here. He wanted to make sure that if it led back to Trepkos, then he could take the fall instead, which is very likely what happened. So, in reality, there's very strong evidence which makes your theory true, in that Max was actually just injured and was arrested, but makes the game still canon in the series universe. --ASHPD24 06:09, October 3, 2011 (UTC)
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