Should his deceased unborn child be listed under family, not only on this page but on Teri's page too? Tony has his listed. --[[User: Dokuma|<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#527497">'''Dok'''</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Dokuma|<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#527497">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Dokuma|<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#527497">Contribs</font>]]</sup> 17:46, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
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Can something be done with anon users continuing to add Renee Walker to the list of Jack's significant others? I think I've edited her out of the list like 5 times in the last week only. Thief12 02:39, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
Honestly I consider her to be his significant other. There is no "time duration" before someone qualifies to be a significant other, and it's absolutely clear that Jack has intense feelings for the woman. She does for him too. What's wrong with listing her here? Do they have to go out on a date or something :P BlueRooktalkcontribs 19:54, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
I don't know. I feel that there should be some sort of "materialization" (for lack of a better word) of said relationship to include it in the list. I don't think that should be left so open ended. But then again, that's just me. I submit myself to whatever is decided. Thief12 21:11, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
Day 8
Hi! I am new to the community but noticed that the Day 8 section is way too big (at this time it is more detailed than Jack Bauer on Day 8). Also part of it is very badly written. What do you usually do to Jack's article during the airing period of a season, when you don't know what info is worth keeping in the article? Elessar2929 12:24, January 30 2010 (UTC)
It's a judgment call that all editors are entitled to make; if you feel the sentences need restructuring or replacing, go through and be bold! Keep the information on Jack's main page very strictly summary; the specific Jack on Day 8 page can use more details. BlueRooktalkcontribs 19:30, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
Day 7
I think the Day 7 section should be greatly reduced. I think it should have a description of the premise of Jack's actions on Day 7, basically just the first or first two paragraphs, then viewers can go to the main article to see the rest of the day's events. Thoughts? --SignorSimon(talk/contribs/email) 13:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I tried to brief it down a little last night cause it was a little bit long-winded, but yeah, I'm sure it can be cut down a bit more. Also, as the season progresses we get a better perspective of which events are relevant and which not so much. Thief12 15:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Simon. Not that I know for sure, but I really think visitors aren't seeing the "See more for Character on Day #" lines. I recommend we go around and underline them or something, perhaps give them a background color to make em stand out? BlueRooktalkcontribs 16:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I did another revision on the section. Let me know what you think of it. Thief12 18:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Jack's Vehicles
While I didn't think it's important to mention Jack's vehicles (maybe we could have a seperate page (ala the Jack weapons page), we should at least get it right. I added a few additional notes about the Ford Expedition, as well as the show's sponsorship. Also, the truck Jack drove at the beginning of Day 5 was a Tundra, not a Tacoma. It was also more of a silver tone rather than gold. I can evidence this with a photo when I'm able to obtain it. --Azure_Syaoran.
I don't think evidence is required for that, feel free to change it if you're certain about it. BlueRooktalkcontribs 23:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Subdivisions
I divided Day 5's and 6's sections into major parts of the storyline, as I recommended in The Situation Room. Although this may be a little subjective, I believe this will make this large page easier to both read and edit. Please let me know what you think of this, if there's positive reviews, I'll do the rest of the article along with any other extensive pages.
(In the meantime, can someone take care of converting the page from present to past tense? I've skimmed through the article and noticed a load of this occurring.) --Deege515 01:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Bad idea, reduces the quality of the article.
Check out The Situation Room and Deege515's Talk page for further discussion on what's been done. Nothing is being reduced, merely moved for convenience and clarity. --Proudhug 02:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Spoiler or typo?
On the page, you indicate that Wayne made Jack the director of field ops at 10:12am on Day 6. But that episode hasn't aired yet(The first four episodes were from 6am to 10am) so would that be a spoiler?
On the other hand, I know Wayne put Jack in charge of the mission to track down Fayed, so maybe I'm remembering Jack's position wrong and you got the times mixed up. ;-) Hypnometal 06:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, Jack was put in charge of the Fayed mission, but I don't know if he was promoted Head of Field Ops. Someone else put HoFO, I just changed the time. The first twelve minutes of episode five are on DVD, so that's as far as we've "seen" so far. --Proudhug 14:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, gotcha. I didn't realize that it was on the DVD, since I haven't purchased it. I figure that I'll be able to see the episode on Monday anyway, and when why get the premiere DVD when eventually I'll be able to get the entire season? :-) Hypnometal 16:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Two reasons. 1) It's all about the here and now. 2) The DVD comes with a coupon for $10 off of any 24 purchase Seasons 1-6, so it'll eventually pay for itself when S6 comes out. --Proudhug 17:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Although if that's the case, does someone want to go ahead and put up the portion of Day 6 10:00am-11:00am that's on the DVD to get a head start on Monday? Hypnometal 17:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Having watched the DVD and the episode on TV, I still didn't hear Jack officially be named "Director of Field Operations". He just went back on the job. I'm not sure what, if anything, his title is at this point. Didn't he still work for DOD through all of Day 4, and technically dead during Day 5? --Wydok 22:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I doubt he's HoFO. He's just running point on the Fayed operation. --Proudhug 22:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
S3
Not sure at all, but isnt Jack the Special Agent in Charge of CTU in the beginning of Season 3? If so there should be a banner in the last part of the page...
Correct. Get rid of it.--CWY2190 21:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if this change makes it correct or more relevant, but I edited the line to read "six major characters." Does that work for people, or do we still need to remove it entirely? Hypnometal 06:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Most of the people I listed were major characters, I'd say. Certainly more "major" than Mandy, Milo, and possibly even Mike and Aaron. --Proudhug 14:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Long Article
This article is amazingly long and I think it might put people off. We could do little summaries for each season and then create seperate articles for each season. Views? --24 Administration 20:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Not a bad idea.... after all, don't we have a "Jack Bauer" category? We should be able to put together a "Personnel File" article with his past missions and training information. I actually wouldn't mind that kind of thing for a few of the characters (Tony, Michelle, the others who have long, drawn-out background profiles about former missions and past jobs). We could also do a revamp of his "Day X" sections to shorten/condense the information or make new pages with that. There are also some parts that I think should be "Background Information and Notes", like Jack's weapons. I'm not sure why that needs a sub-heading of it's own. That's a note. Just some thoughts. --Kapoli 20:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay, if nobody else would rather do it, I'll make a background page for Jack and redo this page. I really think that the JACK BAUER page, if nothing else, should be as close to perfect as we can get it (actually, anything labelled with the tag stating it's the Best We Can Do should at least conform to our own style guidelines).
I agree his Day sections should be condensed, too - if we're going to have whole pages summarzing each season in detail, what's on Jack's page should pertain only to what is critically important to his character. To some extent, the story of the season is his story, but since it's already being told elsewhere, this page should contain more specific information. Meanwhile, what's already there would probably be great starting points for the Day pages you guys are thinking about/working on. Yes? --StBacchus 23:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
St. Bacchus to the rescue. I've been working on a rough "Day 4" page for a couple days, but I think you're right that the information on Jack's page is a good place to start. --Kapoli 01:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Jack's opening paragraph
Why does Jack's opening paragraph include the information about his faked death? I'm not trying to start an argument or suggest that it shouldn't be there, but why that statement and nothing else about Jack Bauer? What made that statement important enough to include at the top? -Kapoli 03:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Without checking the history, I would hazard a guess that this was added before Day 5 began, when it would have seemed more important. Now that everyone of importance knows that he is alive, I do not think it is that important anymore. --Wydok 03:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Date removal
StBacchus, why did you remove all those dates? Some of them are actually specifically stated years. --Proudhug 23:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Because I don't know which are which, because there are no sources cited. If you know which of them were stated, by all means, put them back in. --StBacchus 09:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
The previous CTU operations were given dates, but I'm not going to bother fixing it yet since I'm going to worry about dates once I've completed my timeline. --Proudhug 12:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Memorable Quotes
Can anyone tell me what episode "He shouldn't have been playing with A-dults." comes from? I've been racking my brain but I can't think of it! -Kapoli 04:54, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Good point. Where did that come from? If anyone can't name a source, someone should get rid of it. --24 Administration 17:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Insufficent?
Did we want to have the Level 1 Insufficent on this article? It has full sections with no text. 68.51.66.144 02:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Diane Huxley
I was always under the impression Jack had a relationship with her, considering Derek disliked him, and the awkward tension between her and Audrey, where she clearly states that she loves him. - Xtreme680 04:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, and Lynn McGill sent Audrey to debrief Diane for the specific reason that they "have something in common." There may even be a more explicit reference than that. Dating? Er, maybe not, but he was sure fixing more than fence posts. --StBacchus 05:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
They were at least "romantically involved". - Willo68.51.105.170 06:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that Diane had feelings for Jack, but they were not acted upon. We had seen no physical contact (kissing, hugging, etc.) between the two of them while he sat at the breakfast table or after they were reunited later that morning. As far as I understood it, Jack was just renting a room from Diane. --Wydok 13:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Status
I am suggesting we have an 'exemption' from the status rule that limits us to the big three, because A. Jack is the most important character and B. Jack is the only character who we see everything that happens to, pretty much. We're naturally going to know more than what's happening to him. We know he's alive, but to everyone else in the 24 world he's "missing". - Willo68.51.105.170 07:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
It might take more than a couple words to explain it. Perhaps we should put unknown? Plus it gives off the impression that using just 3 isn't policy, and people should put "banging karen, lol" for Bill Buchanan. - Xtreme680 13:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I think Unknown would be fine here. We know he's not dead because we know Kiefer Sutherland just signed a three-year contract, but Jack's life is still technically in jeopardy. I agree that using a different status on one of the most popular pages would give people the impression it's okay elsewhere. So let's not. Putting Unknown at the top will send the curious looking for the explanation at the bottom. --StBacchus 14:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Should we consider protecting this page? I'm positive that everyone who has changed Jack's status has changed it in good faith, but it's getting real annoying. Besides that, what should the status be? It appears to be unknown, as per policy, his storyline was not wrapped up by the end of the season. It wasn't like the other 4 seasons that had clear cut implications for Jack, so I could say unknown. However, he is alive. Thoughts? - Xtreme680 20:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Whoops. When I changed it back recently, I forgot that we'd decided on Unknown. I mean, he was last seen alive... so either one works for me. I don't know if we should protect it or not, because StBacchus is right, this page needs some serious clean-up anyway. Whatever the admins and you guys want to do is fine with me! -Kapoli 21:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Protecting the page is certainly not necessary, as we're technically not dealing with excessive vandalism or an all-out edit war.
I'm confused why people would think that Jack's status should be "Unknown". He was clearly left alive when we saw him last and the line "You're far too valuable to kill" cements that his life wasn't in danger. Even if it wasn't clear, on a show like 24 it's very common for characters' lives to be in jeopardy at the end of an episode. Should we not then put "Unknown" every time they're in jeopardy at the end of an episode? Should there be a statute of limitations such as putting "Unknown" if they haven't been seen for three episodes, or something? I hate to say "I told you so," but this is just more evidence that the Status line is more trouble than it's worth. --Proudhug 23:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
No need to say "I told you so", because it's not all that much trouble. Alive it is. - Xtreme680 23:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I guess it's irrelevant now, since he's no longer missing. ;-) Hypnometal 16:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
He is NOT unknown, right before it fades out, he's alive. we'll wait and see, but for now, keep it alive.
Is Jack's status Alive because Kiefer Sutherland said he'll be in Season 8? Gevorg89 11:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Read the section below entitled "Status: Unknown?" --proudhug 13:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Main Photo
What is with this fascination of changing the main photo every single week? ---CWY2190talkcontribs 03:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Marilyn is Jack's sister?
@Personal: Marilyn is Jack's sister? i think she is Graem (Jack's brother) wife!?
Sorry everyone, im so damned sorry
Sorry everyone. I accidentally vandalized this article. My apologizes. Can you forgive me?Bauer999 06:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
That was some pretty extensive garbage, man. I'll give you another chance since your other edits seem pretty constructive, but it definitely can't happen again. If another admin sees that, and feels otherwise, he/she can impose a block however, so understand that I'm speaking only for me. – Blue Rook 20:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)talkcontribs
Recent restructuring
Today User Gustavohowell restructured Jack's page so that it links to a bunch of templates. I don't believe this is a good move; Jack's page now links to templates, which in turn link to "Jack on Day X" articles? I see no problem in having the summaries on his page like they were. Also, a wiki is supposed to be about editing articles, not content over on templates or other non-main space areas. I'll vote for reverting it since I shudder at the prospect of every main character in the future having their information linking over to templates. – Blue Rook 15:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)talkcontribs
I second that. When I first saw all the changes I thought it was spam at first! SignorSimon 16:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Also, I'd like to replace the current pic of Jack with a very similar one, seen here Image:Jack Bauer S6 Close.jpg (the one I want to replace is Image:Jack Bauer S6.jpg. It's the same promotional photo, but it's much more detailed and is cropped to exclude below his waist. I've done the swap everywhere else but here, since this is a screamingly important page, and folks might actually take issue with this. – Blue Rook 04:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)talkcontribs
Personally, I prefer the current one. If the issue is because it is too small I have a much larger version: I just like this one showing his legs as well. SignorSimon 18:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Christ Figure?
I'm thinking something about how Jack is a Christ figure (literarily / figuratively) should be put in the article. Here's why (probably more parallels exist):
Incredibility yet constant omniscience
Invincibility
Scars on hand from Marwan
Killed for certain people's mistakes, then brought back to life shortly after
Middle-aged
David Palmer (God) is like a father to him
Will give his life for his country (sins)
Self-sacrificing
Goes on journey in desert (Mojave)
Long period of silence (solitude) / prison
Brother who betrays him and becomes evil
People don't know he's alive until they see him (i.e. doubting Thomas) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.40.21.65 on 03:44, 2008 August 18
Hey there, I'm really glad you took the time to bring this up here before adding content. I agree that many parallels can be observed between these two individuals, even Jack's "resurrection" from his faked death, contradictory as it might be overall. Someone could also list non-parallels, too, like Jack's penchant and need to utilize violence (whereas Jesus only ever flipped a few tables over once), the fact he started a family, and the fact that Jesus was a man of words but Jack rarely persuaded his superiors when he was doubted by them, and couldn't talk people like Mitch Anderson and David Weiss out of their actions.
But these things can't be included in the article because it is beyond the scope of our inclusion policy guidelines. To understand this, remember that this is this is an encyclopedia, and the only content we can accept is from inside the show. If a character showed up who analyzed Jack this way, and talked about him like he was a parallel to Jesus, then we could include those points. If we didn't have this policy, someone could also come along and list reasons why Jack is the anti-Christ, or even an agent of Satan from an extremist Muslim perspective.
The policy prevents all this kind of stuff by accepting only in-universe information. Again, I truly appreciate that you came here to bring this up, so let me know if you have any questions about it still. – Blue Rook 08:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)talkcontribs
Bauer's Birthplace
on this website it says jack bauer was born in santa monica, CA but i read on another website that he was born in pennslyvania
and i tried finding more but it didn't say anything, so yeah Jack Bauer was born in Santa Monica, CA.
--Hamachi1993 12:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)Hamachi1993
That's just Wikipedia. We'll need an iu source to confirm, but I'm fine with it remaining until it's verified. BlueRooktalkcontribs 00:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Who is "you"? Wikis are Do Ocracies, meaning the person with the idea is the best person to do the work, otherwise it might not ever get done. From the looks of it, you have a very firm grasp of this. Want to take a shot at creating it yourself? I think it could go on an article titled Jack Bauer as fugitive but, unless you don't mind the work being nominated for deletion by others, wait for some more community input. You can start working any time you like, but don't be discouraged if others take issue with it before more opinions are proffered! BlueRooktalkcontribs 13:43, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
For the record, this was attempted in the Main namespace, but didn't withstand an AFD after being left in shoddy condition. BlueRooktalkcontribs 20:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Redemption
We need a page of Jack during Redemption. It's unbelievable how little info there is. I have a promo shot for Jack.
I disagree. Perhaps the Redemption section can be expanded a bit, but I don't believe it warrants a whole page. I mean, it's just two hours. Thief12 14:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
It's completely unnecessary to have a page just on Jack duing Redemption. His info does greatly need expanding, I agree, put the amount of info that would be on it is not worth a whole page. --SignorSimon(talk/contribs/email) 15:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
The only time we create character subpages is when the current section is too long, not too short. --proudhug 15:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Status: Unknown?
Now we all know Kim's stem cells are going to save Jack and he'll be alive and kicking for Season 8, but doesn't this site go by what we've seen until now? Therefore shouldn't it technically be listed as "Unknown" if this site goes by what we've seen in the show? He was put in a coma and given little time to live. I think this is similar to Charles Logan flat-lining in the ambulance in Season 6. His status was unknown until Renee revealed he was still alive. I think Jack's case here is the same. What does everyone think? --Airtuna08 07:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Unlike Charles Logan, however, he didn't "die" midseason. Let me put it this way: Charles Logan "died" before Season 6 was over, so when subsequent time passed, even though the last time we saw him was when he was alive, no mention was made of him and his life was in critical danger. However, Jack has been put into a coma at the end of the season. While his life is clearly at risk, he wasn't going to die during the scheduled timeframe of the show. Time in '24-land' has stopped until we get the fast forward notice at the start of Season 8. As such, for right now, Jack Bauer is alive, IMHO. Willo talk contribs email 07:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
That makes sense. I'd agree that his status should be "Alive" then. --Airtuna08
I had put "Unknown" for the reasons above, but also, yeah he's undergoing that treatment, but it was made pretty clear that we don't know if it'll work. Based on interviews, etc., we know there'll be a Season 8, and Joel Surnow basically made it clear that Jack was going to be in it, but still, the way I understand the rules of this wiki, those would be considered spoilers. So, as it stands, in-universe, at the end of Day 7, he's got a terminal illness that the only way he can possibly survive is if this experimental treatment actually works, and at 7:59:59 on Day 7, we don't know if it will. But, of course, this is my opinion. Feel free to disagree with me. :-) Hypnometal 05:17, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
When determining status, we don't consider possibilities for the next season and we don't consider spoilers. It is strictly a matter of "was the character alive when the last clock ticked out." If it's not clear, we use unknown. Jack was merely in a coma, so (not to sound silly) there is no question his current status is alive. BlueRooktalkcontribs 18:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Picture change
File:JackBauerS7.jpg
I suppose it's a little late, but I think we should use a different main picture, one where we can actually see the man's entire face. How about this one? --Pyramidhead 10:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I really like it. It has higher quality to and gives a bigger impact on Bauer. the other one didn't look like he played the role of the main character. --Mstouffer 10:42, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Are there any alternatives? It looks like he's holding his junk. BlueRooktalkcontribs 02:12, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
I hugely prefer the image that we had before. However I wouldn't be against having a good one from an episode. The one proposed here is terrible; clearly photoshopped. I'm going to revert the image to the original one as no discussion was launched to change it. --SignorSimon(talk/contribs/email) 15:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
File:JackDay7Finale.jpg
My personal favourite would be File:JackBauerDay7b.jpg although everyone else disagees :) Second, I'd go for the current one but it annoys me that a gun covers most of his face and I agree with BlueRook about the proposed one, its blurry and his hand isn't in a very appropriate place.-2Anthony4 17:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
"Terrible"? It's better than having half his face hidden and a gun in front of the rest. Plus, if bad Photoshopping is enough to get a picture pulled, we'd better take down the cast pictures for the last three seasons. And his hand is in his pocket, for Christ's sake. --Pyramidhead 00:20, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry Pyramidhead but I didn't see this post until after I removed the image from the 24 page, or I wouldn't have been so hasty. Here are a few others that we could replace it with: ([2]), ([3]), or this one, with is now my personal favourite for the image: File:JackDay7Finale.jpg. --SignorSimon(talk/contribs/email) 09:48, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
It's not that I dislike the image, Simon, I just think that it is too grainy and has way too high of contrast. If you can find a better scan, I'd be all for that image. Willo talk contribs email 05:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
No worries. I was under the impression that we always use the official, non-episode promo images wherever possible. My vote is for either the one I uploaded or the Jack with gun one we used in the logo. --Pyramidhead 05:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
If this is the case, then it is a policy that should be revisited. The Season 7 promo pics were clearly not all "in character". Willo talk contribs email 05:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
You misunderstand me. Those "not in character" images - ie, the gray background - are the ONLY ones we are supposed to use when they are available. Or at least, as I understood it.
I think technically we are supposed to use the character promo shot if there is one (See Talk:Victor Drazen) but if we find an image that is better than that one (shouldn't be too hard) and can justify using it (i.e. we simply say that it is more reflective of Jack's character throughout the day) then it will be fine. As it seems to be working with most other pages where we need to decide upon an image, lets have a vote! If there are more that I missed feel free to add them. --SignorSimon(talk/contribs/email) 07:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Ok I Voted For Picture C, And I Put My Tally On The Vote List At The Bottom, If Were Even Still Voting. --Ianwwenhl10 18:45, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Voting
Photo
Number
A
B
C
D
E
F
Votes for:
A: 1
B:
C: 1
D:
E: 1
F:
Unborn child
Should his deceased unborn child be listed under family, not only on this page but on Teri's page too? Tony has his listed. --DokTalk|Contribs 17:46, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
