Talk: Joe (Day 1)

Revision as of 18:18, 30 January 2011

I started a similar discussion for Charles McLemore about this. We need to change this guy's status to unknown since not only did we get evidence that he was at the compound, but we never even saw him, so he could've been one of the many casualties of the compound assault. What does anyone else think? --ASHPD24 17:26, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

RE: status change

Since my last edit got screwed up somehow, I'd still like to discuss this guy's status change. --ASHPD24 17:28, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not 100% that the unknown status would be appropriate:

1) Although Gaines asked over the phone if he knew where Eli was, I wouldn't say that was conclusive proof that he was on site.

2) When you say many casualties of the compound assault, there were only 2 (excluding Gaines and Neill). The 3 men blown up by Alexis Drazen were, I believe, all present at the scene when Gaines spoke to Joe on the phone.

Obviously it is a grey area, but I think that the unknown status is reserved for people we know were in real danger of death the last time we saw them. But it's an interesting point, and I'd be curious as to what other people think--Acer4666 17:41, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

4 casualties - the 2 dead blokeys who got blown up by Jack. There could've been more, however. And plus, we did see Pollock, and he wasn't present with Kevin when his men got blown up, though his status is still unknown. And plus, he could very well have been one of the guys Jack blew up. --ASHPD24 18:01, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry yes I said 2 excluding Gaines and Neill, meaning there are only 2 casualties that could be Joe. And I think Pollock status should be alive - he couldn't have been blown up by Jack as he appeared after that happened, he wasn't killed by Alexis, and there was no mention of any casualties during the arrests.--Acer4666 18:05, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

So should we change Joe's status to unknown because we don't know if he was one of the 2 guys blown up by Jack? And should we also change the statuses of Ralph Rosen and Jenson because they also weren't blown up by Jack or Alexis (but they were still shown on mugshots so they were definitely arrested) --ASHPD24 18:18, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

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 :4 casualties - the 2 dead blokeys who got blown up by Jack. There could've been more, however. And plus, we did see [[Pollock]], and he wasn't present with Kevin when his men got blown up, though his status is still unknown. And plus, he could very well have been one of the guys Jack blew up. --[[User:ASHPD24|ASHPD24]] 18:01, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
 ::Sorry yes I said 2 ''excluding'' Gaines and Neill, meaning there are only 2 casualties that could be Joe. And I think Pollock status should be alive - he couldn't have been blown up by Jack as he appeared after that happened, he wasn't killed by Alexis, and there was no mention of any casualties during the arrests.--[[User:Acer4666|Acer4666]] 18:05, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
+::So should we change Joe's status to unknown because we don't know if he was one of the 2 guys blown up by Jack? And should we also change the statuses of [[Ralph Rosen]] and [[Jenson]] because they also weren't blown up by Jack or Alexis (but they were still shown on mugshots so they were definitely arrested) --[[User:ASHPD24|ASHPD24]] 18:18, January 30, 2011 (UTC)