24: Legacy – Rules of EngagementEdit
Hi a have a question. Will be 24: Legacy – Rules of Engagement comic added to timeline? Or can anybody please help me find out between which days is this comic happening (if we can get how much time after an Day of 24), most info i was able to think is that it happens between Day 6 and Redemption based on that in comic is set in 2005 and 2007 date, that mean, that it probably happend 10 and 12 years before Legacy tv show? If yes then it it puts between day Day 6 and Redemption based on time passed between season? --Kulurak (talk) 19:11, February 13, 2018 (UTC)
- The dates of Rules of Engagement are unfortunately not canonical, as the show states that he first enlisted in the army in 2011. I haven't actually read the comic yet, so am unsure of how to anchor it into the rest of the timeline - is any of what's depicted in the show able to be tied into Carter's service record from the show?--Acer4666 (Talk) 21:46, February 13, 2018 (UTC)
24 Minutes/Calorie MateEdit
I know that the 24 episode of the Simpsons and the Calorie Mate commericals were never intended to be canon with the series, but can we include them here in the timeline simply for the sake of completeness. I saw "24 Minutes" and it looks like it would take place either between Day 2 and Day 3 or between DAy 3 and Day 4. I would assume that the latter would be the more correct placement as Jack and Chloe are on friendly terms as opposed to Day 3 when they were not. As for the Calorie Mate commercials, my feeling would be that they happen between Day 5 and Day 6. Maybe the Chinese government wanted Jack to help with a terrorist attack. If not, then it would most likely be between Day 2 and Day 3. (RangerSmith 13:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC))
- Haha, I trust you're kidding about the second last sentence. The only time we can see a CTU Jack is pre-Day 1, between Days 2 and 3, and between Day 3 and the Day 4 Prequel.
- As for inclusion of the two items, I'd almost be for including the commercials (including The Donation from S3), but definitely not The Simpsons. Including The Simpsons would mean we'd have to incorporate all of that show's continuity... something which no one would ever sanction. To quote Thom Holbrook's Crossovers and Spin Offs Page, "The characters of 24 may exists in the cartoon world of The Simpsons but I refuse to believe yellow, four fingered cartoon freaks are running around in the world of 24." --Proudhug 15:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
- There's no "sake of completeness" here; if anything this would be for the "sake of humiliating ourselves". Let's call a spade a spade and leave that nonsense out of our serious timeline. 21:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
- I'm all for not giving the characters individual pages, but can the episode have a placement on the timeline, maybe with a note regarding its non-canon status. And I'm assuming that everyone has agreed on CalorieMate so what should the best placement for this be?(RangerSmith 00:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC))
- I understand your opinion; mine is the opposite and I can't include myself in the group that agrees this belongs in the timeline. 00:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
- I've rewatched the Calorie Mate commercials and there is nothing to suggest that Jack Bauer was part of CTU while in Japan. It seems more likely that this was a mission for Delta Force or the CIA as they would assign overseas work for him. (RangerSmith 15:59, 27 March 2009 (UTC))
- I could've sworn Jack mentioned CTU and Tony in one or more of the commercials, but I can't find the references now. Anyway, regardlesss, any placement of any of these things in the timeline would be nothing more than speculation. --proudhug 00:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- What you're thinking of is Tony's appearance on a Japanese variety (which is definitely not even close to canon). With the actual commercials, I've rewatched all of them and there is no reference to CTU at all, and the most likely spot to place them would be before Day 1 anyway. (RangerSmith 14:37, November 4, 2009 (UTC))
24 Declassified Edit
Since it's clear that only 2 years pass between the events of Operation Nightfall and Day 1, wouldn't it be better to say that the Whitman novels occurred after the Cerasini ones. My reasoning is that the Cerasini novels take place in Pacific Daylight Time while the Whitman novels have Pacific Standard Time, which means one would take place in the spring and the other in the fall. If we were to place them in publishing order, then there would be at least 4 years gap between Nightfall and Day 1, which isn't right. Also, I think it makes more sense this way as the Cerasini novels seemingly take place before 9/11 and the Whitman novels after them. (RangerSmith 20:42, 25 February 2009 (UTC))
- It's 2 years between Nightfall and Day 1. 21:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry. That was a typo. I fixed it now. (RangerSmith 21:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC))
- I've been (slowly) working on an extensive timeline for years and it does put the Whitman novels after the Cerasini ones, for some of the reasons you listed above, as well as a few others. I haven't had time work on the timeline recently, but I'm really hoping to get it completed by the end of the calendar year. --Proudhug 05:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Day Zero Edit
I have edited the timeline and placed Day Zero before Collateral Damage. Since Day Zero shows Jack becoming suspect of the people at CTU, and Collateral Damage references his outing of Teddy and Seth, I felt it was appropriate to shift the placements. If there is anything to contradict please tell me. (RangerSmith 21:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC))
7 years... Edit
I think somehow it needs to be noted that there is 7 years between Trinity and Day 1, although I don't know how to show it on here. The reasoning for my knowing this is that Nina is said to have worked at CTU for 7 years on Day 1, and Trinity is the beginning of CTU, where she is present! --SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 19:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- There are couple of things wrong with your reasoning. Firstly, Trinity does not chronicle the founding of CTU, it simply shows us their first mission. The novel even says that CTU has been around for a while, but it only became active recently. If the novel were about how Nina Myers first joined CTU, then I could agree with your reasoning, but it is not. She has been around for while here. Second, there is a problem with Kim's age based on your theory. If she is 13 here, then she would have been 20 in Day 1, which is wrong as we know that she was in high school. I think this should be changed. Trinity only occurs two years from Day 1. (RangerSmith 18:14, 24 February 2009 (UTC))
- RangerSmith I can see your reasoning up until you say Trinity occurs two years before Day 1. Operation Nightfall took place two years before Day 1. Doesn't this introduce too many problems?
- I never really understood why we try to reconcile a timeline between two basically unrelated universes. All the EU spin-off material from the TV show should really be considered a second canon (as the Catholics call "deutero-canonical" what Protestants name "Apocrypha") and be listed under the broad heading "Extended universe". The attempts we make to merge them with the TV show events are artificial and introduce endless complications. Even if the events fit smoothly without a hitch, we're favoring the EU content by reconciling them with the show since the show has never acknowledged the existence of EU events in-universe. But though I am obviously a 24 purist, I've still done quite a bit of upkeep and maintenance work on EU articles, and have and will never actively do anything to try to separate the continuities besides discuss it. 18:30, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
- 24: Nightfall is really supposed to be the earliest adventure in the 24verse since most sources, even the Declassified novels state that Jack Bauer was in Delta Force before he came to CTU. I understand how you feel as a purist that the show is the one true canon, but I don't think we should ignore all the other 24 adventures that have been put out there as well, and the purpose of this timeline is to show what the chronological order of all these stories would be. If you do not choose to accept the EU as canon, that's fine, but the timeline is in place if others were to. (RangerSmith 02:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC))
- I've been told repeatedly that Jack participated in his Nightfall mission after joining CTU, and even the novels specify this. See Talk:Operation Nightfall where Proudhug quotes from one of the novels. Jack was re-activated in Delta after joining CTU, which wasn't unusual. Also, One Shot and Trinity are supposed to be the earliest, even before Nightfall. I understand the Timeline and its usefulness, but I hope one day the wiki acquires a new paradigm with which to view the EU stories in relation to the show. 02:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- I can't, but only because I'm a timeline dunce. The fellows who know the most are Proudhug and Simon; I always defer to their decisions since I never read the novels. 21:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
OHG makes no reference to Nightfall. Also, most timeline references in OHG tend to put it in 1999, while Nightfall would be in 2000 if Day 1 is set in 2002. --Proudhug 05:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
- But that is only if we assume that Day 1 is in 2002, which might or might not be right. Regardless, I don't think we should consider topical references such as these dates, because if we did, Operation Hell Gate would take place before Trinity, which seems to happen to 2000. (RangerSmith 14:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC))
- I agree we shouldn't bother with years, as there is no way there will be a definative answer. Proudhug, could you not just upload your timeline in terms of the ordering of things for now, and we can decide whether to include dates at a later stage? --SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 18:32, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- I'd rather not, Simon. There are several things that haven't been added yet and they might change some things' order once I get to them. --Proudhug 01:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
"Timeline according to Trinity"Edit
I think this section should be removed. It's confusing, and doesn't use definitive dates. We could also have a "Timeline according to Day 1", or a "Timeline according to One Shot", what's the significance of this one? I know it has more dates in it, but the way it says "2008 (or 2009)" makes it look much too messy. As some know, the upcoming S7 Prequel's date WILL be revealed in it, allowing us to work out the actual timeline, which we may correlate into this. --SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 07:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. And I hope you're right, and we finally get a solid timeline! 07:37, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
The Donation? Edit
- From what I gather, it was a goofy car advertisement that probably barely qualifies to be in the Timeline at all. 24-themed commercials. Also, btw you and Proudhug might want to check out the latest edits to the Timeline. A fellow has made changes that I can't verify, but it looks like stuff we've discussed before. – Blue Rook 10:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)talkcontribs
- Does anyone have a link or know where I can watch this? (RangerSmith 15:32, 27 February 2009 (UTC)))
- You can come to my house and watch it. I've got a copy taped from the original airing. Unfortunately, I've never found a copy online and don't have any means of copying it. --Proudhug 01:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I've removed SignorSimon's two recent additions to this page:
- A note on Jason Blaine's PDA during Day 1 of The Rookie informs the audience that Coffee Run occurs on the 15th January 2007. Assuming that this took place on the same day as Season 5, due to Alton Maxwell being referred to as Deputy Director, when no other reference is made to this position, Season 5 takes place in 2007. This places Day 1 in 1999.
Maybe I missed something, but where's the "assumption" that Coffee Run takes place during Day 5?
- Using evidence from the 24 Declassified novel Storm Force, Season 1 could take place between November-December 2005. This is because Storm Force occurs after Hurricane Katrina, which crashed into New Orleans throughout August 2005. The novel takes place with the possibly of Hurricane Everette crashing into the city, and it is specified that it is several months after Katrina. Due to all Declassified novels taking place before Season 1, it could place the season in late 2005.
I've yet to read Storm Force, but near as I can tell, no IU source claims that all the Declassified novels take place before Day 1. They're just "early missions." So, unless Nina, Jamey, Walsh, or any other pre-S1 character is mentioned to be working for CTU, there's no reason to assume this takes place before Day 1. --Proudhug 21:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I think this can be moved to its own page. Anyone agree? --Proudhug 21:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Extra info Edit
I think we should take out all extra information... like the phone screens that show us the dates... these are not intended for the use of dates, and these mainly contradict all other information. --BauerJ24 21:21, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
- Lots of information contradicts each other, not just the phone dates. The whole point of the theories section is to document all sources of dating, so that the individual reader can believe or dismiss whichever ones he/she wants. There's no official source of what is considered "extra information," so unless we all agree on one specific date, we shouldn't omit anything. --Proudhug 21:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Election Years Edit
I'm uncomfortable putting Day 1 in a non election year. Because once you really think about it, it's a bad idea.
- Then don't. There are plenty of options, as you can see by reading this article. No one year has been set in stone, although 2002 has the most evidence so far. I don't see how it's a bad idea. --Proudhug 03:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Call me a nerd for having read the first 3 Declassified novels, but Trojan Horse refers to the year 2003 on multiple occassions. And since it's agreed that the novels take place prior to Day 1, then that pushes the TV part of the series a few years forward, I would imagine. --Deege515 03:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- If that were the only piece of evidence, yes. But we have so many that contradict each other, who's to say that one is right and another isn't? --Proudhug 04:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- Me. Amongst my friends. To make myself appear more knowledgeable in trivia than them. *cough* --Deege515 04:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well of course. I do that too. However in the context of Wiki 24, it's not prudent. --Proudhug 04:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Comics, etc Edit
Even though we don't know exactly when the comics and novels happen, we know for sure the period when they were set, relative to the seasons. We can just order them within the time period they belong to, like I've done. --Pyramidhead 06:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
- I realize what you're saying, but I was under the impression the the purpose of the "relative timeline" was to illustrate how much time has passed between certain stories. Since most of the novels and comics provide no specific timeframe, it undermines the whole point of the section, no? Additionally, we don't know for certain what order some stories take place in. I think One Shot was before Nightfall, but others think they're reversed. Where does Day Zero fit in with the Declassifed novels? What about the three Days in the DVD Board Game? I say we stick with just the stories that we know the specific relativity of. --Proudhug 14:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Day 3 and Day 4 PrequelEdit
The given timeline is incorrect. Three Months passed between Day 3 and the beginning of the Season 4 Prequel, not 6. -- Azure Syaoran 18:01, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Then why not change it? ;) --Proudhug 20:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I am questioning the belief that season 1 took place in 2004. I believe it took place in 2000, and my main reason is Operation Nightfall. It took place two years before season 1, so it wouldn't make much since that it occured in 2002, as the crisis in Kosovo was over and all overseas government missions would have been mostly terrorist related. It would make more since that season 1 would take place in 2000, so Nightfall would take place in 1998, as that was an intense time in Kosovo, so the mission would be more relevent.
- Well I'm willing to go with whatever everyone agrees on because on many shows (The West Wing in particular) elections don't take place at the same time as they do in real life. Maybe it would make sense to have Season 1 take place when it was actually aired and go from that. --24 Administration 10:29, 22 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- I've got an extensive timeline that I've been working on which I'll start incorporating as soon as I get the chance. --Proudhug 03:01, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- Cool. Just so we don't clutter the main page discussion up. Any further timeline chat should be on the discussion page for the article. ;)
If you guys recall, in Season 3, we get a shot of Kyle Singer's license. He's supposed to be 19 and the birthdate in in 1987, setting the season in 2006 or 2007 and the first season taking place in 2002 or 2003. I've always believed that Presidential elections in the 24 universe fell on different years just like they do in the West Wing universe. This would make Operation Nightfall in 2000. This all would make the most sense to me.
- I uploaded a screencapture of Kyle Singer's ID, and it does confirm that Season 3 took place in 2006, which makes this timeline incorrect. I know that Proudhug is working on a major timeline project, so should we ask people to refrain from adding dates and years based on this timeline? -Kapoli 07:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think we should be adding dates and years throughout the wiki calculated from any timeline. Even if there was a dialogue reference to Kyle Singer's age, and even if you can use that and the license to make a starting point, the timeline information from 24 is overall so sketchy I can't support taking any one starting point and declaring it to be canon. Timeline information should stay almost exclusively confined to this article, and I think we should also include an explanation of the other possible starting points. Any dates and years included in other articles should come directly from the show or other materials. --StBacchus 09:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well to be completely honest, I don't like the idea of the timeline dates being incorporated throughout the Wiki either. I think that if we want to say on Kyle Singer's page that he was 19 during Day 3, then that's fine since it was mentioned on the show, but I don't really like the thought of putting on the Day 3 page that the Day took place in 2006.
- I mentioned the ID because that's really one of the only actual date references in the entire show. I've noticed on several different pages birthyears like (1967 - ?) and I'm just wondering where some of that is coming from. I don't like the idea of using dates that didn't come from the show, books, comics, etc., but if we're going to use dates in the Wiki and base them off a timeline, then it should at least be a more accurate timeline. --Kapoli 10:10, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. I was actually going to put a note on Kyle Singer's page about calculating the year (I didn't because I don't know which episode contained the age reference), but more than that would be too much. 1967 for Nina perplexes me, because her birth year would be 1968 in Proudhug's timeline and 1966 in the timeline I like. I guess you could arrive at 1967 by subtracting 34 from the year season 1 aired if you really wanted to, but why? Anyway, all this foofaraw illustrates exactly why it's a bad idea. --StBacchus 11:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Two ideas. 1. Try to ask someone from the show (through 24inside.com) about dates. Or 2. Use data references relative to season 1. Several Star Wars timelines do this (they set everything as # of years before or after Star Wars: A New Hope). We could say BS1 or AS1. FOr example, Operation Nightfall occurred 2 BS1 (two years before season 1). Season 2 occurred 1 AS1 (1 year after season 1). --Wydok 12:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- BS1 wouldn't work. There are so many actual dates given in the 24verse that it would just become confusing combining the two dating methods. --Proudhug 16:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
This entire timeline is off by at least three years. Evidence from within Wiki24 suggests Season 1 took place in 2001: "The report is dated August 26, 2002. The committee hearings took place in late November the same year as the events described in the book, after David Palmer had gone on to win the general election. This places the events of Day 1 no later than spring 2001. " - From the 24 Wiki article on the novel, "The House Special Subcommittee's Findings at CTU". This date also makes more sense, as 1999 (as mentioned below) was when the United States was actually involved in Kosovo. And most importantly, 2001 is when the show premiered - why would the producers create a show, and have it set three years in the future, it only for the sole reason of making sure the fictional presidential timeline matched up with our presidential timeline. But who says in 24 world these have to match? Clearly, they don't already as David Palmer should be been running against George W. Bush in season one. I strongly recommend a timeshift of -3 years to the current timeline structure, and if nothing else, adopting the aforementioned Star Wars EU method, of back/forward dating everything in relation to "The Day Of The California Presidential Primary". Am I the only one who agrees with this? --JPizzle1122 03:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- You're not the only one aware of the problem, JPizzle1122. Most of us are aware of the fact that this timeline (and Wiki24) are full of incorrect dates. One of the admins is in the middle of working on a timeline for 24.... and he plans to correct wrong dates/incorporate the right dates when he's finished. For now, my advice would be to just ignore any dates you see on this Wiki. As for doing everything in relation to "Super Tuesday/Day 1", I personally think this idea wouldn't work. It would be confusing and hard for new visitors to follow. -Kapoli 03:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Ok cool, I look forward to seeing how the situation is resolved. --JPizzle1122 04:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- The 24 timeline is riddled with confusion. As I've been extensively working on the timeline for the show, I've come to the conclusion that placing Day 1 in 2002 makes about 80% of everything fit. Despite this, there are still on-screen dates that put S1 in 2001 and S2 in 2002. The House Special Subcommittee's Findings at CTU goes back in forth with evidence that supports either year. Mark DeSalvo started working at the underground prison in 2002. Clearly that means S1 takes place no earlier than that. No date works perfectly, but it clearly has to be either 2001 or 2002. As I mentioned, the latter makes the most sense.
- I've currently been ignoring the timeline information which has already been posted, even though it's clearly completely wrong, because I'm waiting to finish my project first. If it continues to be a problem with new visitors pointing out the error(s), I could start changing things asap, and add to it as I go along.
- As for dating things relative to Day 1, like Kapoli says this wouldn't work. It's a good idea in theory, but it would cause a lot of confusion for people. Mainly because there are a lot of real dates that are specifically given. Reconciling the two would be a nightmare. --Proudhug 03:35, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
The book doesn't go back and forth. The August 2002 date is on the title page and nearly every other page; it's only the DeSalvo one that doesn't fit. We should simply restate the time cues as they are in the series: "Three years ago, you had an affair with my wife," "When my daughter died two years ago," and so on. Incidentally, I personally think 2000 makes the most sense as the starting date of Day 1. It fits for a presidential primary, Milosevic, and the beginning air date of the series. But the fact is, we don't know and we probably aren't supposed to know. --StBacchus 07:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that we should go with 2002. 90% of the evidence supports 2002. Example: Mark DeSalvo started working at the MUDD in 2002. Also, S1 took place on "Super Tuesday". Super Tuesday, or Primaries, take place in March or April. Since Palmer was wearing a pin that did NOT come out until September 11, 2001, it is impossible for S1 to take place in 2001. The writers wrote it and released it in November, 2001, so it would be pointless to make it six months previous unless mentioned. Also, Kyle Singer's ID showed us that S3 took place in 2006, making S1 take place in 2002. Unless Kyle's ID proves that S3 took place before mid-Autumn in 2006, we cannot assume that S1 took place in 2001. Since 2002 makes the most sense, why can we not have these dates and update them as we get more information in following seasons? At the very least, we need to set up some dating system, even if it means waiting until after 24 is over forever to set it up. BauerJ24 17:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know how many times we have to say that Proudhug is already actively working on something for a timeline. He's been doing research and compiling information for a LONG time, and when he's ready with it, he'll post the information. There are plenty of other things to focus on for the time being.... -Kapoli 18:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- Check out this article itself. It already has all the evidence you mentioned within it. --Proudhug 22:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Proudhug, does that mean you aren't going to post it?
BauerJ24, why, again, do we need to have dates? There is contradictory evidence for any year we might pick. Choosing a "best" year and propagating that idea throughout the wiki is against our own Neutral Point of View Policy. There's no way we should ever do that. But since you brought up some new arguments, let's take a look.
- The FaCTU book isn't canon, and you're cherry-picking anyway.
- The first episode was ready for broadcast in late September, not November. The air date was pushed back because of 9/11. Anyway, it doesn't make any more sense to assume that the timeline starts ahead of the show's production than it does to assume it's behind the show's production.
- TV shows do not emerge fully formed from their creator's minds. After writing the first script, they had to hire the crew, cast the actors, build the set, scout and secure locations, shoot the pilot, and shop the pilot around. And leave enough time to shoot additional episodes. It's entirely likely the presidential primary idea was developed before 2001 (like, in 2000, the year of an actual presidental primary).
- The pin might have been added by the set designer, props master, director, or Dennis Haysbert. The ID might have been the responsibility of the set designer, props master, or special effects team. Unless there's some evidence that the writers were aiming to create a coherent timeline (which happens, but not on this show), it's unlikely the writers or producers had anything to do with either of those things. If the writers/producers wanted to pin a date to any season, they have had ample opportunity to do so. That the dates we have are sporadic and unreliable would seem to say all that needs to be said about the intent of the show's writers and producers. --StBacchus 23:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- Right, so where are we? I personally think what we have now on this "timeline" page is fine. A relative timeline and then several theories about years let readers make up their own mind. I also think that pages such as 2001, 2002 etc. should just be deleted. They have no purpose but to confuse readers. Anyway, who are we to say when the show is/was set? --24 Administration 22:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- I completely agree with everything 24 Administration is saying. I've never liked or seen a use for the 2001, 2002, etc. pages and I think the best we can hope for right now is the relative timeline we have. I don't like the dates in the character pages, like: Jack Bauer (1967-?) or whatever else we've got around here. I say we get rid of all of that crap! -Kapoli 22:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- How can you say we have no need for 2001, 2002, etc.? Unlike the dates for each season, some things are established facts. CTU was founded in 1993. Andre Drazen served in the Serbian Army from 1989 to 1999. Mark DeSalvo became warden of the underground prison in 2002. These are established dates, not theoretical. There's no discrepency here and they're not relative to anything. There's no reason to not document this information as we document all other information here. Until the show gives us a for-certain date, however, we can't include most other timeline information, unfortunately. --Proudhug 13:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- The only date page I clicked on before responding was 2001, which has no relevant information to the TV show at all. I'm fine with years like 1993 which can have a list of events from the show, but if we don't have anything relating to 24 to put on the page, we shouldn't have it. -Kapoli 19:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- Of course. There is information on most years, it just hasn't been added yet. --Proudhug 20:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Day 3 Intel -- Saunders Pic Edit
Jack said that the picture of he and Saunders that he showed Jane during Day 3 8:00am-9:00am was taken more than 8 years before Day 3. However, this does not coincide with the timeline, as Nightfall was 2 years plus the time between Days 1 and 3, which was 4.5 years, making 6.5 total. Unless I did my math wrong, is something missing or did I miss something in the DVD? --BauerJ24 20:14, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
"Jack Bauer was stated to be 49 on Day 7"-- When? Edit
I don't remember anyone stating Jack's age during Day 7, but since I don't have any evidence that proves otherwise, I won't edit that. Can anyone confirm this, though? --Dann-Fonda 02:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Forget it. I'm removing it. --Dann-Fonda 02:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Day 7-Day 8 Edit
- OK, let me take a stab. Teri is, what, about 3 in Day 8? And was several months old during Day 7. I'm thinking that there's 2 and a half years between Day 7-Day 8. --SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email) 10:09, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPImh22zcl0 within the first 30 seconds Kiefer says it's only about 6 weeks. --Dunit1014
- Clearly the script changed from the time of that interview and when the season started. There's other interviews where they say the peace agreement is with an "unnamed Middle-Eastern country". Undated interviews - and interviews in general - cannot be taken as canonical sources. --SignorSimon (talk/contribs/email)
Day 1 date Edit
Just wondering whether there was an established idea of when in the year Day 1 occurred? Am I right in saying that super tuesdays normally happen in february/march? A couple of things to query that -
- In Day 1: 10:00am-11:00am, David Palmer asks if there is a gap in Jack Bauer's file in the summer, two years ago. Mike says "yes, how did you know?" That would imply Operation Nightfall took place in the summer. Then later when it's said that Day 1 is meant to have happened 2 years to the day after Nightfall (a terrible decision by the writers, in my opinion), that would put super tuesday in the summer.
- Alberta Green says that Erica Vasques has had more than $300,000 deposited in her account over the past 4 months. We then see that she had the first deposit in January, putting Day 1 in April/May.
I don't know if anyone cares about this haha or if there's any place for it on an article, but I thought it was interesting to note. Anyone found any other indications of what time of year seasons occur in?--Acer4666 22:20, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
- Trying to figure this out is almost certainly never going to happen: this is because it seems that the show runners didn't want to be too specific. Basically all we know is that it took place in the "near future" sometime after 9/11. Personally I'm very happy leaving it at that, unless some very compelling detail comes along. Trying to string minor details together to "construe" an answer is a bad idea. 04:02, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
- Ah sorry I wsn't suggesting we set a definitive date for the series- I was just wondering if anyone had any other theories about when in the year seasons happen, and perhaps a section on this page for theories, much like we have with the years currently. I agree nailing down a specific date is pointless!--Acer4666 09:56, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
Theories about the timeline Edit
You know what I think would improve this section - split it into different days, for theories about when that day happened. If the evidence comes from a particular day, then put it in that section indicating what year it states that day to be in. All this backtracing to Day 1 kind of gets really confusing - perhaps in each sentence, we could say "this places day 1 in...", but it would avoid stuff like Andrew Paige's driver license popping up for 4 years running. I realise that section was to show what the most convincing placement of Day 1 would be, but let's face facts - the production timeline goes slower than the IU timeline, and there are dozens of visible dates etc. So if we keep on going through the later series with the rigour we have done with the earlier ones, day 1 date will keep on getting pushed back further in time. How about a comprehensive list of all references to years in 24, and anyone that wants to join the dots can do so themselves, but not on the mainspace article--Acer4666 23:03, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Personally I'll defer to whatever Proudhug says about this, because he has a kind of major timeline assembled. I don't know enough about this to have any kind of personal opinion worth any value. 05:31, March 21, 2011 (UTC)
- I'd quite like to implement this change if no-one has any objections, if proudhug is out there - I'd also like to remove all the references to technology being released in a certain year, therefore placing it in at least 1999 or whatever. I'm waiting to see "Jack Bauer was seen using a telephone. These were invented in 1876, placing Day 1 sometime after that"--Acer4666 10:57, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Ok I've done the change now. I've tried to list the source of all random bits of info that were flying around this section, I don't know the following two however:
- Jack Bauer's age as 49 on Day 7? Can't remember the source of that info.
- Nina Myers' age as 33 on Day 3? Findings at CTU apparently gives her age as 34 on Day 1, so I've changed it to that unless there's a source higher on the canon scale contradicting it.
- Also, as I illustrated with my "invention of the phone" example above, the following notes are redundant so I have removed them:
- There is a 'Clamshell' iBook in Kim Bauer's room in Day 1. This computer was first released in July 1999.
- Sherry Palmer is clearly using Mac OS X on her laptop in Day 1. This OS was first released as a public beta "Kodiak" in late 2000. Though it is more likely to be used as a primary desktop OS after its official release, "Cheetah", in January of 2001.
- In "Day 1: 12:00am-1:00am," a poster for Coldplay's Parachutes album is visible in Kim Bauer's room. The album was released in November of 2000.
- A Titanium PowerBook is used several times in Day 1. This computer was released by Apple Inc. in January of 2001.
- During Day 1, David Palmer is seen wearing a pin which didn't come into use until after 9/11/01.
- Also, the following note has been removed:
- Day 1 takes place in March or April. "Day 1: 7:00pm-8:00pm" shows Jack Bauer's watch with the date "23" on it. April 23, 2002 was a Tuesday.
- I dunno the source for Day 1 taking place in March or April, presumably it was the "14 Jan was a couple of months ago" from s1ep3, but in that scene the 14 Jan date has "2001" written next to it rendering this note a bit obsolete.
- I've also removed these three notes:
- Because they're not really helpful. I also removed a thing about 2001 being a recent date in Reza's passport when Kate also writes 2004--Acer4666 (talk) 16:25, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
- Ok I've done the change now. I've tried to list the source of all random bits of info that were flying around this section, I don't know the following two however:
Sample timeline Edit
This entire section needs to go, it's just personal opinion of what's the most likely date. Since when was the torture of Abu Fayed's brother a CTU operation? It happened in Beirut, did the domestic LA unit have oversight over the middle east? Why do we pick the out-of-universe date of the democratic primary for the most likely date? The show has in-universe files showing Alexis Drazen's DOB and age which place Day 1 in 2002 (this info was created specially for the show rather than background dates getting caught in shot)--Acer4666 (talk) 13:56, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Yes. --proudhug (talk) 23:39, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
- I don't see the problem. It's just applying the time gaps to a starting year to give an idea of when everything might have happened. I can take out the references to 99 and 02, that was just something that occurred to me after I made it but those aren't essential or necessarily meaningful. I'm not trying to argue that it's correct, as there is no correct answer, but I think it's more informative than "BD1," and for a lot of people it's probably easier to wrap their head around. If you'd rather start it in 2002 or 2004 that's fine, as it still has the same effect. Here, I reworked it to not give off the impression of correctness:  --Pyramidhead (talk) 18:03, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
Gaps between seasons Edit
One thing I would really like to clarify and cite here on this article is the sources we have for how much time passes between each season. The start of Season 3 and Season 5 both directly state how much time passed since the previous episode (3 years and 18 months, respectively), and I'm fairly sure there are in-universe references to Jack having spent "20 months" in a Chinese prison. However if someone could remind me the source of the other gaps, that would be great. If the stuff came from promotional material for the show, I'm fairly sure our canon policy is against that being used.
- Between Season 1 and 2, I'm not sure where 18 months is mentioned
- Between Season 3 and 4, the prequel spans at least 15 months, but again 18 months seems to be what we have and I'm not sure the source
- Between Season 6 and 7, we have the gap being "46 months to 4 years" on the Season 7 page and 46 months on this page. From the history it looks like promotional material put 4 years between them and then some edits later due to some misunderstandings and anon edits we're down to 46 months. I know 65 days between Redemption and Day 7 is from the show, but are there any sources for the 6 - > redemption gap?
- Between Season 7 and 8, I'm sure the 18 months we have here is the result of an editing war between that period and 6 weeks, based on the Season 8 talk page showing two contradictory promotional materials. Neither are eligible as sources of in-universe information.
- OK I think I have sorted out the gap between season 6 and season 7 using in-universe facts: We know that presidential terms are 4 years long (various iu sources state this). In Day 6: 6:00am-7:00am we find out that Wayne Palmer was sworn in 3 months prior - meaning the gap between Season 6 and Redemption must be 3 years and 9 months. That makes the gap between Season 6 and Season 7 roughly 3 years and 11 months. If there's anything in-universe contradicting this, mention it here--Acer4666 (talk) 21:03, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
I've removed the edit that messed around with the relative timeline and added BD1/AD1 years to it. It's very confusing, and better to have a simple list of just the 24 media without everyone's year of birth up top. The editor who did this also messed around with the timeline of the books without discussion so I've reverted that too. If someone wants to try to work in everyone's age to the relative timeline (perhaps a paragraph at the end, not mixed in with all the seasons), then the list is here:
- 51.5 BD1 - Bastian Grost is born (died: 7.5 BD1; aged 44)
- 47.5 BD1 - David Palmer is born (died: 7.5 AD1; aged 55)
- 43 BD1 - Ira Gaines is born (died: 0 BD1; aged 43)
- 36 BD1 - Jack Bauer is born.
- 35 BD1 - Alexis Drazen is born (died: 0 BD1; aged 35)
- 34 BD1 - Teri Bauer is born (died: 0 BD1; aged 34)
- 29 BD1 - Tony Almeida is born.
- 28.5 BD1 - Nina Myers is born (died: 4.5 AD1; aged 33)
- 27.5 BD1 - Kate Warner is born.
- 26 BD1 - Elizabeth Nash is born.
- 23.9 BD1 - Milo Pressman is born (died: 9.1 AD1; aged 33)
- 16 BD1 - Kim Bauer is born.
- 14 BD1 - Jibraan Al-Zarian is born.
- 11 BD1 - Behrooz Araz is born.
- 7.5 BD1 - Megan Matheson is born.
- 5.9 BD1 - Josh Bauer is born.
As I said in the above section, I don't think there's in-universe sources for about half of the gaps between the seasons, but I'll leave it as this for the minute--Acer4666 (talk) 13:28, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
- I suppose you could tackle it but unless it's restated by one of the creators or any existing in-universe media, it probably will only go in the backgrounds notes. --Gunman6 (talk) 21:12, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
Sample Timeline Edit
I believe that the starting year on the sample timeline section of the Timeline page should start w/ Day 1 taking place in 2004, as most 24 articles, fan sites, fans, & even producers & IMDB say it starts in 2004. Even Howard Gordon said that Day 7 takes place in 2017, so if you do the math, that puts Day 1 in 2004. I hope the 24 Wiki considers all these pieces of information when considering changing the sample timeline year. Thank you.
- Do you have links to sources supporting any of this? --Pyramidhead (talk) 23:21, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
- All of the info about Day 7 being in 2017 and Howard Gordon's interview is here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0285331/faq#.2.1.11 -- 01:09 July 17, 2014 (UTC)
- IMDb is user-edited and anyone can put up any information they want.
I googled "E! Online Howard Gordon 2017" and couldn't find anything other than that page, or someone copying that page.never mind - found it. Regardless, it's a "sample" timeline specifically because it's not intended to be accurate - it's simply to show how far apart everything might have happened in the real world. Plus, there is a source from other producers saying, basically: it doesn't matter, don't think about it too hard. --Pyramidhead (talk) 00:25, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
- IMDb is user-edited and anyone can put up any information they want.
- All of the info about Day 7 being in 2017 and Howard Gordon's interview is here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0285331/faq#.2.1.11 -- 01:09 July 17, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to Aboodash56 for putting this together - I personally have a few issues. There doesn't seem to any rhyme or reason to the images used; mixing cast promos w/ pictures of Jack, using multiple images for certain seasons, etc. Also, why is Season 6 the first entry? I don't know if I'm necessarily opposed to some sort of illustration for this page, but it needs to be a little clearer. --Pyramidhead (talk) 23:47, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
- Ah - just found the description! Makes a little more sense now. Still feel it's not great to just have the thumbnails without some way of clearing up what each one is. Would like to hear what others think --Pyramidhead (talk) 23:50, November 20, 2016 (UTC)