Talk:Unnamed military personnel

Who's the military officer played by Steven Arthur? How do you know the Officer in DC is played by Stephen Mendel and not Steven Arthur? Comp25 01:54, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

When I originally linked to, and made the entry for, Officer in DC, I had merely assumed that the co-star credit for "Steven Arthur" was correct. It turned out that I had merely duplicated an error that appeared in the 24 credits. Between August 25 and 27, I and Stephen Mendel exchanged 10 emails, in which I primarily asked him about the discrepancy I had stumbled onto. In Mendel's professional demo reel, available on his website, he included the scene where the man in this picture spoke with Alan Dale/Prescott. The actor in that picture is identical to Mendel, so I asked him why "Steven Arthur" was credited instead. Mendel was surprised and had simply never noticed this credit error, assured me his middle name wasn't Arthur, and said he made an error report to IMDB. I haven't spoken to him since, but occasionally I check IMDB to see if they made the correction. They haven't, as of this posting.

So to make a long story short, what we do know is that the character we've labeled "Officer in DC" is played by Mendel. Since Steven Arthur's inclusion appears to be an error, and we don't have images of the actor S Arthur himself to compare to any other Military officer appearing in that episode (if there even are any), the deduction is that he's at least a credit-only. I've recently been thinking of changing it from the current listing to:

Stephen Mendel (as "Steven Arthur") as Military Officer

... and then linking Military officer to Officer in DC. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 02:51, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I just thought of something. What about that military officer that took Palmer's key card? Maybe that's Steven Arthur? Also, IMDB has like three guys named Steven Artuhr, and they might all be the referring to the same guy or something. Comp25 04:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It sounds conjectural. If evidence comes along, it might be worth considering. But in the meantime compare the picture to Stephen Mendel's actor images. It's the same fellow. I simply haven't a clue who played the man that took Palmer's key card. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 05:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Air Force Pilot

Should this pilot be in this article or in the flight personnel one? Thief12 04:16, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think he should be in flight personnel--Acer4666 22:11, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

It's for "civilian" flight people. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 00:17, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, true. There's currently an F-18 pilot on there, and also a Starkwood guy - do private military personnel count as "civilians"? There's also a "commando" on the civilians page, I wondered about him too. I dno what the rules on private military being civilians are.

Also, could the argument for putting CTU pilots on that page also extend to military flight personnel? In that, flight personnel is the more specific label for them? With the CTU argument it seems to be that the chopper pilots are a subgroup of the ctu agents which are a subgroup of the civilians, but I don't see the unnamed character pages as subgroups of each other. If that was the case, then why pick civilians/not civilians as the top-level division? I think the people should be listed as what most accurately describes what they do - if (like the f-18 pilot) they fly planes for a living, shouldn't they be under flight personnel?--Acer4666 13:12, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Also note that the civilian-only criteria currently does not apply to the Flight personnel category, which contains people like Clarke (Day 4), John Hansen, Mitch Anderson--Acer4666 13:53, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Private military is not state-sponsored military, they are always just mercenary civilians. That's one of the key points of Season 7: the fact that they are not US Armed Services and are therefore sort of "running amok". The term "commando" can refer to both military and mercenary so it depends on the context. Also, CTU personnel are civilians too (like FBI etc in real life), so they should remain on the flight personnel page.

Since the F-18 pilot is military, he belongs on the military personnel pages (not sure how he snuck through). Now although I don't know how things are in the UK, it is true that in the US that a military flight person is more specifically known as "military" ... and the flight duties are a proud second. It would be extremely strange for Americans to see American military characters divided out based on a skillset into a group of civilians when there cannot be any overlap and when there is already a military persons page.

Although the 2 unnamed pages in question and Category:Flight personnel don't match in their criteria, it doesn't state anywhere that a category has to match up perfectly with an unnamed character page with a similar scope. You see, there can be overlap with categories (a military pilot can have both the military category and the flight category). But since there cannot be overlap with unnamed entries, we go by the most distinguishing factor and place the military pilots on the unnamed military page. I promise, if your next post argues against this and includes the word "consistency" I'm going to vomit all over my keyboard! Blue Rook  talk  contribs 15:32, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Bryce Lenon's Mechanic

The mechanic played by Bryce Lenon has a name tag on his uniform. It is partially seen during the first scene, and also when Mitch Anderson is wearing it talking to Horter. I'm almost certain it's "larkin" - can anyone else check this out?--Acer4666 22:11, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

I definitely will later today. Nice catch, it would be cool to move other fellow from the Unnamed pages. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 00:17, July 17, 2011 (UTC)