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Add deaths

Hey man, I appreciate your effort of adding those missing deaths. But I want to remind you that you'd better check Talk:Deaths on 24 first before adding them. --William 11:39, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Err, which specifically, there are more than two dozen threads? Blue Rook  talk  contribs 18:46, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe those several posts I made?:P What I mean is you don't need to change the Season 4 death number in such a hurry because there are still some missing ones we need to check out in previous seasons. -William 05:50, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
Why wait? I do take those instances 1 verification at a time, and then change the count to reflect that instance and take it off the table, so there is one less mystery to worry about later. In this manner the death counts will be as accurate as possible (otherwise, I'd be "sitting on" my findings and leaving the page incomplete to nobody's benefit). If you can verify a missing death(s) instance and get a new accurate number, just jump in and update it, is my approach to it.
In other words, I don't pretend that the overall counts which I change are going to be permanent; the only thing permanent that I'm doing is the count of that particular instance which needed verification (assuming I'm counting it right). Blue Rook  talk  contribs 06:33, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
All right all right, you got the point. But some of those posts were left there for ages. How can we get an accurate number if there's no one come to verify and reach an agreement? --William 06:47, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
The onus of verification is on us, since nobody else does it. Even if a 24 show runner mentions on his blog tomorrow that "the deaths of exactly 13,903 people were shown and/or mentioned throughout the course of the show", it would be an exciting lead but we would still want to verify it ourselves.
I would say that, for each missing instance that gets verified and the page gets re-tallied, the total figure gets closer and closer to the most accurate count possible. I don't suppose we'll ever know for sure if we've actually got the precise number, but hey, we try! Blue Rook  talk  contribs 12:14, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
Okay mate. Can you please check out this?
On an unrelated one, does Don mean mister for these drug cartels? But I thought Don was only used for the Boss, like Don Corleone or Don Eladio. These capos are also called Don? --William 02:38, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

How on earth did you find David Orth? I do agree he looks the same but the hair would have prevented me from realizing it. Very cool!
In the Italian mafia, "don" is reserved for the boss and I was surprised too when Gus starting reciting names like Don Luis, etc. It would seem the labels are different in the Latin gangs. (Also, I just noticed that The Narrator deleted those Dons pages I contributed. How humiliating for him. If you want to talk about Breaking Bad let me know on my Talk page there, I will see it because this little notice pops up to let me know someone posted there.) Blue Rook  talk  contribs 15:21, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

I spotted him in an episode of Supernatural. But Orth isn't a stunt performer, which makes me hesitated.
I noticed that you haven't showed up in Breaking Bad wiki for several months so I decided to post my questions here. They just don't want to create pages for minor characters. Actually I just finished the final episode today, but I was already spoliered about what happened to Gus and Tio, what a damn shame. --William 16:11, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


Like I told your friend Acer4666, I was about to go back and add categories, but thank you very much for immediately deleting my profile pics.What I'm going to do is just put the pics on the wiki, then add categories and put them on the pages. Please don't interfere.--BauerPhillip24 13:57, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

When that much time keeps elapsing before the pics are properly labeled, everyone has no choice but to think you're constantly ignoring the rules. You can add them but only if you can tag them at the moment of upload, or about a day afterward the longest. Otherwise, just don't upload them at that moment; wait until you know the episode. Special:UncategorizedFiles and Special:UnusedFiles have been getting trashed with all those untagged pics. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 14:57, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

Live Appearances

Hey, do those Live Appearances boxes only go on character articles?--BauerPhillip24 19:29, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, "Live appearances" headings only go on articles for individual characters, objects, buildings, and certain places. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 00:23, December 28, 2011 (UTC)


Oh, thanks again. You see, what I was thinking, was, you know how on articles it says "Wiki 24 has a collection of images related to..."? I just thought it might be cool to access every picture the wiki has of, say, TAC Teams at once. But if we don't do that on this wiki, hey, I have no problem with that. Sorry.--BauerPhillip24 23:18, December 28, 2011 (UTC)


At Category:Masterminds, we talk about that Alan Wilson was not the mastermind of Day 5. But if you look at Alan Wilson's page and some other pages, it says that Alan was the mastermind of Day 5. We know that Graem Bauer was the mastermind of Day 5. A bit confused for me. --Station7 10:23, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

What's that? Blue Rook  talk  contribs 18:51, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
I believe Station7 is referring to this post about how we don't know for certain how involved Wilson was in the Sentox conspiracy. I've changed his article to remove references to him being the "mastermind" and just that he was involved. Let me know if there's anywhere else that needs changing station--Acer4666 (talk) 19:27, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
Yes Acer, that's what I meant. Good job Acer. It became a bit confused for me. --Station7 20:03, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


SOR-REE, dude, I'm just wondering what the hell the point of that re-orginization of Weapons on 24 was. And for season 3-8, where the hell did all those pictures go?--BauerPhillip24 22:49, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

They didn't go anywhere, it's a work in progress. The point of the re-organisation is to give some sort of order to the out-of-universe weapons pages which were divided by manufacturer, season, character that uses them, or type of gun, in different ways in different places.--Acer4666 (talk) 22:55, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
Acer is correct, those images never existed here. What you're seeing now is just a skeletal framework, it is just the kind of thing you might love to work on BauerPhillip24! Blue Rook  talk  contribs 22:57, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Nuclear Emergency Support Team

Hey, you mind if I create a separate article for Nuclear Emergency Support Team? They're the guys who tried to defuse the nuke in Season 2 and tried to track down the fuel rods in Season 8.--BauerPhillip24 23:06, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

N.E.S.T.--Acer4666 (talk) 23:09, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Fanon stories

Are you 24 fanon stories able to be put on blogs? --Station7 18:01, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

My fanfic will go on a user sub-page sometime in the future, and I will redirect the user sub-page Talk to a separate blog if anyone wants to discuss it. But that is just me. If you're really asking what to do with your story, it can go in either place: User namespace, or Blog namespace, whichever you prefer. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 02:22, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Nuclear Football

Hey, I moved the oou info to "Background info and notes", hope the article can be taken off "Articles Needing Attention".--BauerPhillip24 20:47, January 26, 2012 (UTC)


Hey, man, I created a sub-page on my user page, but in the process inadverdently made an entire article about it. Please delete it as soon as possible. Sorry. I'm not trying to vandalize or anything...--BauerPhillip24 22:53, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Just handled it. Thief12 04:08, January 27, 2012 (UTC)


I sent you a message through the Wiki yesterday, but I don't know if you got it, and I also forgot to leave my e-mail address. Anyway, I don't mind putting it here. If you can, drop me a line, so I can ask you something. My e-mail is cjgiovannetti_hotmail. Thanks! Thief12 15:10, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

There are evil little programs that scour the internet for addresses to spam, so I edited it in your post to help prevent that. I did just write back (in Wikia email function, the sender's address is made visible to the recipient anyway.) Blue Rook  talk  contribs 15:33, April 12, 2012 (UTC)


thank you! Eschiss1 21:41, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Pictures from other wikis

Not necessarily related to this wiki, but do you know what's the rule or general procedure for using pics from another wiki within Wikia? Is it obligatory to ask whoever uploaded the pic on that other wiki, or is it just suggested to do so as courtesy? Thief12 19:40, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure at all, to be frank. But if I had to guess, I'd say that the only thing which matters is that you preserve the copyright information. In my case I'd also just put a line in the file page about who was the original uploader and where it was retrieved from; it doesn't seem necessary to ask unless their copyright information specifically states you have to. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 19:45, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, man! Thief12 20:11, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Valley/Village market & liquor

Hey ho! Hope alls good - I just wanted to run past you the change I made to the redirect Village Market and Liquor (i changed it from valley to village and deleted the valley), as that's what the white sign on the front of the store said. I just wanted check it wasn't called Valley Market and Liquor at some other point, if it was give me a slap round the head and I'll restore the redirect!--Acer4666 (talk) 11:43, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

That's better than what I was doing, actually... I was just robotically creating a redirect on a link I found in that article. (What's the story again about this store? how come it has two names?) Blue Rook  talk  contribs 15:36, June 28, 2012 (UTC)
Ah, gotcha - I've changed the link to point directly to King's Liquor. I presume it was a misreading of the sign on the front, which is Village Market & Liquor.
The story is that that the actual name of the shop that was used for filming is Village Market & Liquor, but the 24 team put a big crown sign there and Frank Davies identified it as King's Liquor in dialogue. But, you can still see the sign for the actual name in the episodes. Think it's all ok what we've got now tho!--Acer4666 (talk) 15:56, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Dream house

Hey, about your dream house from your contributions page - found this for when you want to buy it. Better start saving up ;)--Acer4666 (talk) 10:05, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

That really is the place? I can see that the real house number is visible but how'd you get the street name? You really are the king of locations bud. The work you're doing is excellent, it's a priceless expansion of the wiki. (Too bad there's no Street View.)
Listen there is a location I've always wanted to know, and I figure you're the best fellow to bring it up to. Well you're familiar with how fixated I can get about the show's villains. At some point in the future if I ever get the time, I want to start a spot-by-spot list of where the antagonists went throughout each day. Some would be easy, like Marwan. But some are tough, and one in particular: in Day 6: 2:00pm-3:00pm, Phillip calls Marilyn (here) and reveals he killed Graem. It's a gas station/garage and there are some decent views of the area. Any ideas? Thought you might like a challenge :) Blue Rook  talk  contribs 03:35, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
It is indeed! I've just recently learnt that Bing Maps are far better than Google Maps, in that they have a 45-degree view of everywhere, whereas Google only has top-down for some places. You should be able to see the resemblance better here. Thankfully the streets in LA are organised very well, so if you have the house number you can pretty much draw a straight line through the city for where it will be, and the "22570" line passed thru Chatsworth and a upmarket place called "Indian Oaks" (/hills) so I just had a look round there!
As for that garage, I was just looking at it yesterday. All I noticed was that it was an ARCO garage (there was a sign behind Phillip's parked car, and that it offered a "brake special" for $17.99! I checked out some ARCO stations but couldn't find it, but I'll keep looking. Also the road as Phillip left reminded me of the gas station where Audrey dumps the homeland security tracker in Season 5 (which I'm also trying to find), so it's possible it's the same location. I was thinking of on the talk pages of the filming locations, adding these unknown locations with all the clues I have so far--Acer4666 (talk) 10:36, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
here we go--Acer4666 (talk) 11:26, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Season 5 and 7 questions

Why were both groups on both seasons not working together (Dawn Brigade and Sentox nerve gas conspiracy) and the season 7 antagonists? --Station7 16:53, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Station could you rephrase the question? I'm not certain I understand. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 03:35, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reaction. I mean; why were the groups in season 5 and 7 not working together. The groups in season 5 should work together as a whole and in season 7 they should work together as a whole. Why were they masterminding their own conspiracies against each other? --Station7 (talk) 14:11, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
Well, if I'm understanding the question correctly, the different groups did not work together within each season because they had dramatically different goals. The American Sentox conspirators did not care about the Dawn Brigade's goal of national independence. And the Dawn Brigade did not know they were going to be deceived. So they only worked together until Schaeffer was caught by Erwich.
And as for Season 7, Jonas Hodges was originally one of the 13 prion conspirators until he defected from the group. He was deceiving them all along to capture the weapon for his own Starkwood purposes, but failed. It's all about deception: the different masterminds have different goals. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 20:33, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


Hey Blue Rook, I dunno if you noticed but recently our wiki was switched to the latest version of Mediawiki and html. It screwed up a bit of styling in monobook, but the "new-look" skin is largely untouched - except for "wikitables". If you look at the table at the top of On-screen kills by Jack Bauer or any file history, you'll see the text has gone black and the header all white.

Now what's strange is that we hadn't made any custom styling via mediawiki pages of this element, so I don't know what was making them custom-coloured before the switchover. The problem this leaves is that, while it's fairly simple to customise the colours ourselves, I have no record of what colour the table used to be like. Did the white section used to be blue? And on that "on-screen kills" table, was there any colour behind the "number of kills per day" text? I don't suppose you remember what these tables used to look like? Thanks!--Acer4666 (talk) 14:09, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

The only difference I am noticing is the "Number of Kills by Day" box at the top of the article, that text is black and just floating above the table whereas I'm fairly certain it used to look like the table of David Palmer's of Cabinet members; also the "Day" & "Kills" field is black text on a white field, that seems new too. Does that seem correct? Blue Rook  talk  contribs 20:33, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
Ok I've changed it but it still doesn't seem right. Did you think that the floating text "Number of kills by day" was in a box, on a blue background? And were the "Day" and "Kills" field on a darker grey background? I honestly can't remember what it was like!--Acer4666 (talk) 23:28, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Bauer answers/tallies/captured timeline.

24 events that someone should count: total number of times Jack says "... we're running out of time..." total number of times Chloe risked losing her job for Jack total number of times innocent women get interrogated total number of times someone demands a pardon / immunity total number of captured villains that Jack personally tortures total number of times a seductress is seen leaving a man's bed total number of times Jack gets captured and escapes total number of times Jack almost gets killed and escapes

BTW, I notice that you had this up. I can give you a list of all the episodes that Jack Bauer is KO'ed or knocked unconscious (this is typically when he's captured so ...).

KNOCK-OUTS BY JACK BAUER: S1- # 1, 7, 10, 11, 12 S3- # 4 S4- # 1, 6, 10, 12, 18, 20 S5- # 1, 7, 9, 15, 18, 19, 20, 22, 24 S6- # 2, 5, 10, 12, 16, 20, 23 S7- # 3, 5, 11, 13, 22 S8- # 8, 16, 19, 20, 22, 23

JACK BAUER GETTING KNOCKED OUT: S1- Ep.#'s 21, 22 S2- Ep.#'s 19 S3- Ep.#'s 6 S4- Ep.#'s 14, 15, S5- Ep.#'s 8, 24 S6- Ep.#'s 1, 9, 17, 18 24: Redemption S7- Ep.#'s 13, 17, 19, 23, 24 S8- Ep.#'s 9, 13, 15, 23

-- 20:58, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Gredenko goons

Hey, I saw you've uploaded some Gredenko goon pictures, so I thought I'd post this here for the record: In the picture here, I think the name of the guy in the middle picture (the brown-jacket guy at shadow valley) is holding up "Gregory Klein", who did turn out to be a background actor in LA (here). Possibly a way to checkwould be to find the camera operator in the short film "turn me on, dead man" (haven't done that myself!). However, there's the possibility I read it wrong!--Acer4666 (talk) 09:13, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

That cast pic you uploaded is what made me work on this again... so awesome you found that. To show my progress thus far I posted what I have. (Pics of Drivers 1 and 2 and Stubble to come... wasn't there a pic of Stubble already somewhere on the wiki?) And, after looking at the IMDB profile you linked, just a moment ago I sent an FB message to the director of "The Passenger" to see how I can watch her film, so if she can help me, maybe I can get a view of Klein that way also. If we both continue tackling this we might get names for most of these guys. But most of the work is thanks to you, especially for ID'ing Brickman, Donno, Meier, and Austin. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 11:37, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
Yo Blue Rook, think I read the name right - check out this, read the end of the fourth paragraph - and there's a bigger version of that pic here--Acer4666 (talk) 00:10, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
Just wow. "...I was a henchman in season six of 24 making bombs and exchanging glances with the lead villians. I don't think I was ever killed off, so I keep holding my breath for a movie!" You never cease to amaze, Acer. That is 100% the guy; I'll start red-linking in the appropriate dramatis personae lists and elsewhere, but unless you don't want to, the article creation honors should go to you. (!) Blue Rook  talk  contribs 04:09, August 8, 2012 (UTC)


Why was Jonas Hodges going to President Allison Taylor. He is a terrorist, it doesn't make any sense. He knew he would be arrested or at least could knew. --Station7 (talk) 15:56, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hodges was 100% confident that he could not be arrested because he was successfully holding the country hostage with the Python missiles, and he did not think anyone could destroy the WMDs. The trip to the White House was to personally force Taylor to accept his terms: make Starkwood a new branch of the military. Overall, he was much too overconfident and walked straight into the lions' den. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 17:24, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
How you write it is priceless. You really can write good. :) He could better stay on his own ground. If you think about, Hodges is actually not a really smart terrorist...same is for Alan Wilson. Mandy at the other hand is smarter. Get's arrested, but is still somewhere in the 24 world. --Station7 (talk) 19:21, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Little problem?

I know that there are actually no spoilers anymore here, but the thing is, Graem Bauer is refered as graem Bauer on pages from season 5 characters (see Kirkland). Is it better if we cut it out as Graem, so that people can see self where it links too like this: Graem? Just a question :) --Station7 (talk) 20:47, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

That is a tough call. To be honest I simply do not know what to say. I would prefer that the episode guides say just "Graem" but the character articles & everything else can say his full name. But I have no real rationale for defending this preference, and there's no policy-related reason someone cannot come along and change all the "Graem"s back to "Graem Bauer"s. Sorry I wish I had a more useful reply for you! Blue Rook  talk  contribs 03:15, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Are you still out there?

It's may a pointless question, but is it still usefull to have User:SignorSimon as admin? He isn't active anymore. By the way, I hope to see your name here more ;) Not that my name appears here in the activitaty things, but you're an Bureaucrat. --Station7 (talk) 21:24, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, sorry was out for awhile there! Admins are eligible to lose sysop rights after 1 year of inactivity. Simon hasn't been out for a full year, but he unfortunately does meet the 3 month limit to be delisted in the active sections on Wiki 24:Administrators & Help:Contents. I'll make the appropriate changes, thanks Station! Blue Rook  talk  contribs 01:41, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome. Also I saw that ProudHug also has been inactive for 3 months. Isn't he an administrator not anymore or he is he still an admin, because he was the founder of this site? --Station7 (talk) 18:32, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
Even if Proudhug is inactive for 1 year or more, I'm never going to desysop him (unless like his account is hacked or some such craziness), so I will make a verbiage change proposal soon to replace "no longer eligible for sysop access" with something like "become eligible to lose sysop access" over in the Administrator term limits section of the admin project page. (However he has indeed been inactive for the shorter, 3 month span so you can see I already did remove from "active admin" lists. For Proudhug that's as far as it will ever go :) Blue Rook  talk  contribs 17:13, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Thinking about starting one of these pages myself.

I've been out for awhile, and I haven't cared to be back on a normal basis lately. I'm trying to put distance between myself and another user here, an old shame of an old aquaintance. But anyway, I figured I might come back at some point and I was thinking about these pages for the various baddies for every season that some of the others do. I was considering doing one myself, maybe Season 2. I just wanted to see if nothing's taken already as is. --ASHPD24 (talk) 23:01, October 29, 2012 (UTC)