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"I just found out there's no such thing as the real world..."

Hey, everyone. I just thought I'd take the time to clarify this issue, as I know it's been a bone of contention in the past, and I'd hate for that trend to continue into the future.

Previous editors have commented on my Nazi-esque monitoring of what real world information is included on the site, so allow me to explain. Wiki 24 is an encyclopedia about the TV show 24. As such, there needs to be a distinction between the information that comes directly from the show and any additional information that editors decide might be useful. Since we strive to be useful to as many people as possible, we need to remember to keep that window open for those who only want to know what information the show has given us.

For example, two different people could look up the article on the Federal Bureau of Investigation, for two different reasons:

• One is curious to know all of the times the FBI has been seen or mentioned on the show and what information the show has provided about the organizagion.
• One heard the term "FBI" mentioned on the show and wants to know more about what it is, beyond what 24 has said.

If the page is filled with non-24 real world information, such as the history of the Bureau, who's in charge, how it operates, etc., then the page is absolutely useless to the first reader, as it's impossible to sort out what's "real" and what's not. In order to cater to both situations, any extra real world information needs to fall under either "Background information and notes" or "External links." More often than not, a link to Wikipedia or an official website will suffice to provide a reader with any wanted additional information.

To clarify, real world information is not and never has been prohibited on Wiki 24, as long as it's clearly marked, relevant to the topic, and not easily found on other websites.

I feel awful when people's hard work has to be reverted, deleted or moved, but hopefully people understand the reasons for doing so. Also, keep in mind that any information that is deleted can always be easily brought back, and the issue of rules and procedure are always up for discussion.

I hope this clears things up for people and we can all have fun making this the best encyclopedia for the best show on TV. Cheers! --Proudhug 14:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, nobody has ever complained because there's too much real-life information. I don't even know why anyone would want what you're describing above. On the other hand, people are constantly trying to add real-life information, having their work deleted, and leaving. People have been doing that for all the ten months I've been here.

Clearly, there is substantial interest in having some amount of real-life context. How about we just mark it as such? Memory Alpha and other wikis insert notes all the time, like this:

Audrey says that she recognized the man from a Heritage Foundation fundraiser.

The Heritage Foundation is a real-life think-tank that promotes conservative causes.

There is a huge difference between moving or reformatting someone's work and deleting it outright. Editing is what wikis are all about. Deleting is not. But don't take my word on it. --StBacchus 22:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Jennings

There are pages for a Jennings (Day 5) and a Jennings (Day 6) and I believe they are the same character, since they are played by the same actor. I'm not sure what to do exactly. How do you combine to pages? I tried changing the name of one to Jennings, but that's being used for the disambiguation page. 19:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You were correct, and I took care of it. Good eye.---CWY2190^TC 03:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

fr.24

Hello, I am Elitius, I am administrator of fr.24.wikia.com. I will wish to obtain your skin to help me. Can you send it to me? Sorry for my english =P Thanks. Elitius 17:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Elitius! All you need to do is copy our MediaWiki:Monobook.css page into your own wiki (and Image:Wiki.png if you want to use the same logo). I'd do it for you, but only an administrator can edit it. If you have any problems or questions just ask. Good luck with your project! It's always exciting to see Wiki 24 in other languages! --Proudhug 17:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, but to modify the skin, how one makes ? ^^ Elitius 09:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

If the change isn't showing up, do a hard refresh. Press CTRL-F5. --Proudhug 09:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you help me to copy the pages of 24.wikia.com to fr.24.wikia.com so that I can translate more quickly? Elitius 12:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

New category: Families

I was thinking of making new categories for individual families. The Palmers and much more recently, the Bauers are very complex now and contain heros as well as villians. many main characters have had families as well: chloe and morris, tony and michelle and michelles brother, the Salazars, The Araz family etc I am fairly new to this type of editing and to be honest I don't know how to go about making a new category. Would anybody please like to give me a heads up? thanks. EVILjbf 06:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Characters by groups not enough?---CWY2190^TC 13:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I suppose so, just trying to be overly organized amybe EVILjbf 02:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

All you have to do to make a new category is add it at the bottom of a page like any other category, [[Category:Bauer family]] or like that. Salazars already have a category (you can also change the name if you want, but you have to change it on every article in the category). there are lots of families with just two members, maybe it would be best to draw a line somewhere? 3 or 4 before they get a category?

Tense Maintenace?

As I read through this encyclopedia, it is very apparent that there is no standard on tenses. Some are written in the present tense, some in the past. Is there anyway we could (or even should) use some sort of standard on the tense format, past tense perhaps? Just a thought. --EVILjbf January 17, 2007

All in-universe articles are supposed to be written in past tense. Use Wiki 24:Manual of Style if you have questions. --User:CWY2190

Thanks, i've been fixing tense problems when I come across them. EVILjbf 06:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

CTU: The Rookie

I wanna write this, but I'm wondering what the procedure would be. Would the new characters have their own pages, or will it all be on the one page under CTU: The Rookie? Will FOX let us? --Conspiracy Unit 07:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I would think they get their own pages. EVILjbf 08:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Since the episodes are so short and they do not relate to the actual show, it would be best to keep all the episode guides in one page. It is ok to make user pages for the characters though.--CWY2190 16:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

.GIF Images

I am in posession of a few .GIF images from this season (Curtis being shot and Jack's vampire-like neck bite). I suspect that they are not usable on this site but I would like confirmation on that. --EVILjbf January 17, 2007

ATTN: Suitcase Nuke

I screwed up the other night when I wrote that article. I wanted the article to be entitled "Suitcase Nuclear Device." Proudhug, would you please alter the article to say as such? thanks. --EVILjbf January 17, 2007

Hi, i'm not Proudhug, but I decided to do it myself, to get it done faster, and to save Proudhug a bit of work hope that's ok. --Ivan69 15:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

thanks, I appreciate it. EVILjbf 18:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

24 renewed beyond season 6?

Hey I was just wondering if there was any news on whether or not 24 was renewed for season 7. Thanks, --12.201.27.234 04:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• It has been known for a while that Kiefer Sutherland has signed up for seasons 6, 7 & 8 at least. 87.194.8.35 19:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Day 6 10:00am-11:00am

Just a note to remind everyone that since the first 12 minutes of Day 6 10:00am-11:00am have been released on DVD today, it's fair game to include this information on Wiki 24. But keep in mind that only information from the first 12 minutes is permitted. Any other information is considered spoiler and the usual spoiler rules still apply. --Proudhug 00:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem with Gillian/Jillian Wallace

Megan Gallagher is playing the part of the mother of the Wallace family. For some reason, the spelling of her first name has been first in the Wiki Gillian. But I checked the official episode 24 Fox website and her first name is actually everywhere in their episode guide Jillian. --Twentyfour Lille 21:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

TiredAlex claims that "[a]ccording to the information released with the screeners, [Gillian] is how her name was spelled." I don't know what these screeners are, but they were never officially released to the public, I presume. As Fox.com is an official source and the only one of the two sources appearing on our Canon Heirarchy, not to mention the only publicly available source, we should with "Jillian" until proven otherwise in canon. --Proudhug 21:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I originally named her as "Gillian" becuase that is how my sister spells her name. :-). Sorry. I have to say 'hear, hear', Proudhug. Change the article and all references to Gillian Wallace to Jillian Wallace. --Conspiracy Unit 03:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify, the information I was referring to was the info that comes with press screeners- the type of stuff that tells reviewers what they can and can't talk about in an article before the episode airs. But I agree that since nothing official spelled it with a G, and the FOX website used the J, it should be Jillian. (Also, I suppose changes can happen between whenever the screeners are made and the release... in the screener, Kiefer was uncredited for 6.1. He wasn't on airdate.) TiredAlex 20:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Much like with Closed Captioning and DVD subtitles, I'm sure the people who type the screener info have nothing to do with the show. --Proudhug 15:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Character Article Standards: Background Information

When I added the three new characters in Day 6 (Sandra, Thomas, and Nadia), I enterred background information (experience, education, etc.) in paragraph format instead of in a resume style. Other characters have background information in a resume format (bullets, etc.). Is there a standard for how this information should be displayed on character pages? If we don't have one yet, what is the general consensus? I see merits in both styles, and I currently don't have a favorite. --Wydok 00:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I personally like paragraph format, as it's usually more interesting to read. However, I understand sometimes it can be a tedious and boring read when converted from bullet form. But 99% of the time I think I prefer paragraph. --Proudhug 00:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm on your side, guys. Paragraph is best. --Conspiracy Unit 00:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Fox.com profiles

The Fox.com character profiles for Season 6 have been updated. We can play this two ways. Since it's already on the official site, we can consider the information fit for inclusion on Wiki 24. Or, if some still consider these spoilers, we can wait to post the information after the premiere airs. Thoughts? --Proudhug 03:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I say just add them to the Season 6 article as main characters. Don't change the indiviudal articles until the episode.--CWY2190 03:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm talking about the more specific information, now who the main cast is. Like, a certain couple being married, what school certain people went to, where they were previously employed. Even the name of the new VPOTUS is in there. --Proudhug 03:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure. Thats great about Bill and Karen. Where is the name of the new VPOTUS? And wouldn't that be a spoiler since we made a big deal about Wyane's page being updated?--CWY2190 03:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

This is what I'm asking. Since this is an official release of an original piece of IU information, not a preview or a trailer, would people have a problem including the information right now, or should we wait until Sunday night? I don't really see why it's not fine now, but I figured I'd ask first.

And the name of the new VPOTUS can be found under Lennox's profile. He worked on the campaign for two presidents. --Proudhug 04:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I can add the main cast right now. Yes or no? I got it typed up, just give me the word.--CWY2190 04:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's not what I'm talking about. The main cast can't be determined from the list of characters on the site. Someone listed on the profiles page could mean they're a Main Character or it could mean they're a Guest Character. It could mean they're on board for all 24 episodes, or it could mean they'll get written off after two or three. We won't know the main cast until the show airs. What I'm talking about is not the list itself, but rather the information in the list. --Proudhug 04:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, you answer a minute after I post. :) --CWY2190 04:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

If it is decided to go ahead and add articles from the Fox.com profiles, I can get articles started for three new characters which I had been preparing in advance. --Wydok 16:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's the day before and no one's objected. --Proudhug 20:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Then it's away I go. :) --Wydok 21:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

New admin nomination

I've made a nomination for adminship. With season 6 coming up and undoubtedly drawing in new readers and editors, it would be a good idea to have another admin. Head on over to Wiki 24:Requests for adminship and vote for CWY2190! --StBacchus 22:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the nomination.--CWY2190 04:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Presumed CTU branches

I vote we delete the pages for CTU Seattle, CTU Denver, CTU Phoenix and CTU Las Vegas. I don't like the idea of having articles for things we don't even know for sure exist. They've never been mentioned by name, so we don't need articles for them. I think it's sufficient to mention their possible existence on the pages for their respectives cities, as well as a similar note on the main CTU branch page. --Proudhug 04:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that and a few days ago, I went to those pages and said that they probably exist. I agree in deletion, though. --69.133.24.51 03:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

CTU Seattle and CTU Phoenix were both referenced in either the novels or comics. The information is on the CTU Seattle and CTU Phoenix pages. A crazy place to put it, I know, but what are you gonna do? --StBacchus 22:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

On Milo's profile on the FOX Site, it mentions the he worked for CTU Denver, so i guess that ones ok.

Morris's profile on the FOX Site mentions that he worked for CTU Seatle. I think Bill and Michelle may also have worked there. --Wydok 00:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, Bill and Michelle definitely met at CTU Seatle.

Question about episode credits

Is it too soon to post on-screen credits information for the first 4 episodes of season 6? I've never felt this is spoilery, but some do. Some guidance before I post and risk getting kicked out would be appreciated.--Telly1138 23:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Crew credits are probably fine (unless someone else opposes), but cast credits are definitely spoilers. If I saw that Mandy or Kate are going to appear in the next episode, I'd be spoiled. --Proudhug 02:28, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Insufficient Information

I was just wondering what people thought about improving our Insufficient Information system. I was thinking that we could add a feature to it so that editors can add key bullet-points about how the article can be improved in the box. It would be a bit like like Wikipedia's peer review system. Any thoughts? --24 Administration 18:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not fussy about how we do it, but I've never liked the current system at all. Of course, I think of nearly every page as needing improvement. --Proudhug 19:56, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I was looking at some pages today and thinking "this article needs an info-box" or "the grammer in this article is terrible". If we had some way to actually say this in the Insufficient Info box then people would know what's wrong with the article. At the moment I think quite a lot of people must often question why the article has a certain Insufficient Info status. --24 Administration 23:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

There are alot of articles that can be extended, but on the flip side, there are alot of articles that cannot be extended either. --CWY2190 23:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps people could start making a note on the Talk page when they add the notice, explaining what needs to be done. --Proudhug 23:47, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers

I hope that Curtis spoiler posted isnt true. Anyway, who knows how many spoilers will be posted in the final week. We may need to make the "Do not post spoilers" thing even bigger and say that any spoilers posted will result in a permanent ban. Agree or disagree?--CWY2190 17:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Excellent idea. Done. --Proudhug 17:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Commercials/Trailers

Should we consider these spoilers? While we have in the past, they have aired in the United States and I think we should put information down as to what we know. This doesn't mean Jon Cassar's interviews or anything like that, simply commercials and trailers put out by FOX. The only problem is if we use this, we stick to WHAT WE KNOW, not what we assume. --BauerJ24 16:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I would say no.--CWY2190 16:51, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

There's no question about it, commercials and trailers are spoilers. I realize they're officially released by Fox and so most people probably watch them, but since they spoil events in future episodes, they're considered spoilers. I know a lot of people disagree with this (myself included, to some extent), but it's best to err on the side of caution. I never considered stuff like this to be spoilers in the past, but having frequented many message boards, I've come to realize that most people do, especially on the official Fox.com 24um. Those folks are crazy about the most minor things being spoilers! --Proudhug 18:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

While they spoil events in future episodes, they have aired in the United States, which is our policy. Since they were officially released by FOX and not fan fiction, they are real. The only thing I would want is the trailer online, because then it is based on what we can hear and review as opposed to a passing commercial and what we THINK we hear. I think the trailer released, since it has aired, should be allowed on the basis that our policy allows exceptions, we just have to mark it. This is an exception as to the future of the show and as long as we mark pages with it, we should be okay. I'm not talking about revamping any page like Jack Bauer, just maybe adding a few pages that have been shown and proved in that trailer ONLY that can help us stay up to speed once the show airs. --BauerJ24 20:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Trailers aren't required viewing. If you don't watch a trailer, you're not missing anything, since all of it will eventually air on TV in the manner it was meant to. The episodes are the official release of all clips, so that's the only place information should be extracted. Trailers aren't edited in a manner to tell a story, as episodes are. There's no narrative. They're meant to promote the show by teasing you with exciting clips. Since they're mostly taken out of context, it's never possible to confidently assertain facts from trailers. Sometimes trailers are even meant to mislead us. I mean this is a trailer using official footage, yet it's clearly manipulative. Fox does the same thing, only for a different purpose (and to a decidedly less comedic degree, of course). Like I said, I don't have a problem watching trailers and officially released promotional stuff myself, but the fact remains that they are spoilers. --Proudhug 21:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Portals

I was proposing different portals for different zones ie US and UK portals. We could then create template for 'aired in US' and 'aired in UK' that could be added to the day summary pages when they air. These could then link to a dynamic page list so us poor people in the UK can see only episodes that have aired in UK so we dont get the spoilers. Thanks --Markie 21:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't take any offense from this, but if you dont want spoilers from U.S. episodes, stay off the site. I mean that in the nicest way possible. Will your idea work? I dont know...because I have no clue what a portal is.--CWY2190 21:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

A portal is kind of different areas for different content. Kinda the same as the Day 1, Day 2 etc grouping. I think it would work and i do want to be on here to remeber what happened and check stuff. But during the middle of the series i dont want to be seeing the ending. --Markie 21:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

While I understand it must be frustrating for overseas viewers, there are several problems with this. 24 airs in a lot more places besides the U.K. It would seem ludicrous to cater to the individual schedules of every country, not to mention confusing for readers. Presumably you're referring to only episode guides, so you'd still be unable to read pages for Jack Bauer, CTU, etc. And even information contained in episode pages isn't free of spoilers from later episodes. Background notes such as "This is so-and-so's first appearance before becoming a villain two episodes later" aren't impossible. --Proudhug 22:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I have just looked on our local broadcast times and have now changed it here but we seem to be airing 24 a day before the US so there is actually no need for this. However does this mean i can upload images of the show on the Sunday night/Monday morning as in line with the spoiler policy?? Cheers --Markie 11:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

That has to be a mistake. There is no way that fox will allow any other station to air the show before the U.S.--CWY2190 16:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not the day before. Read it carefully. --Proudhug 18:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah yeah. My mistake!--Markie 19:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Music

Lostpedia.com has managed to embed Youtube videos 87.194.8.35 19:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Ya it is possible because I think there is a way to put html into a wikimedia wiki. Using it, you can put in a media player right into the page. If that doesn't work then just host the music remotely and provide a link on the music page. --12.201.27.234 04:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the page could be a lot better if we added a music player. We could use Sean Callery's music from the 24 soundtrack. This is just a request but I really think it would intrigue 24 fans. --JackBauer24 20:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Is that even possible with wiki programing?--CWY2190 21:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't know. I suppose it could happen if a "music" page was created and a code was put in. You should ask someone who sort of runs the place.--JackBauer24 23:37, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't really like the idea unless we rerout it to a different page or something. Possibly put an option on whether or not we want music in the background, but not like put on every page and without option, because I listen to my music on here and I feel that 24 music, however awesome it is, might become redundant. --BauerJ24 04:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I completey dislike music playing on webpages. Call me old-school.--Wydok 22:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)